leibowde84
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When does science deal with absolutes?
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Big Bang, Deflated? Universe May Have Had No Beginning
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Ben Dhyan
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The physical sciences are only relevant to the physical universe, and not the spiritual...that fact the atheists think that science can disprove the Divine is just plain silly....
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
It doesn't....but some scientists such as Hawking use their scientific position to try and discredit the absolute...God...
outhouse
Atheistically
No he doesn't.
There would have to be evidence some mythological concept existed, before one would even begin to try and discredit.
He is only stating the obvious at this point.
outhouse
Atheistically
Most atheist do not think this.
No god exist scientifically for anyone to try and disprove.
History shows only men have created and defined deities, science is not even needed. Mythology is what it is. No need to prove mythology is mythology.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
So please don't keep us in suspense...what is it he stated that was obvious to you, yet was not an attempt ot discredit the validity of God?
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
Your posts are beginning to look like obvious attempts to inflame this thread....so stop this inanity already...
outhouse
Atheistically
No god has validity.
outhouse
Atheistically
There would have to be evidence some mythological concept existed, before one would even begin to try and discredit.
History shows only men have created and defined deities, science is not even needed. Mythology is what it is. No need to prove mythology is mythology.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
This is not primarily a god v atheist thread....this is a meant to be a discussion about a scientific paper that suggests the universe may be infinite.
Besides which, your belief as an atheist has no more credibility than the belief of a theist....duality is simply the error of the mortal mind that keeps them ignorant.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
Since you say there is no God, and that men created and defined deities, what is the definition of God that you say does not exist.?
I mean that you can't not have in your mind a concept of God that you believe does not exist, as it would be absurd and illogical to not believe in something of which there is no description.
So please provide the definition of this God that you believe does not exist?
outhouse
Atheistically
If this is about science, why did you over attribute faith and faith alone?
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Yes its right for you and only you
Actually science doesn't try to disprove religion, religion does that itself with the advancement of science.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
Show me where I attribute faith and faith alone? Are you sure your reading skills are up to the standard to discern what I am saying to you?
outhouse
Atheistically
As stated below is 100% faith.
There is no such thing as absolute god outside faith.
No god exist scientifically for anyone to try and disprove.
That Is the context, that seems to escape you.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
I can only speak for myself....understanding is right for me...you may feel your understanding, if any, is not right?
Science and religion do not cover the same area of knowledge...science deals with the physical universe, religion with the spiritual. Spirit by nature is not physical, so science can't say anything about it that has any validity as there is no existing human technology to detect it. Religion is about the transcending of the material universe....and that does not depend on beliefs, pro or anti...
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Of course to believe in what transcends the material universe needs belief, it has never been proven, the same as big foot, there are many who believe in him, but there is no solid proof. Now with science there is much proof, there is no argument, unless you can come up with a theory that over rides that proof, and this is what science is.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
As I feared....either your reading skills are poor, or you are not being honest...so I repeat....show me the post so we can see the context? A link would be fine...
But that is absurd to say that no God exists, and yet are not willing to show me the definition of it. Who knows, there are many definitions of God out there that are simply wrong.... This is a matter of logic my friend....I await your description...
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
You are out of your depth...there is plenty of proof of the spirit, but it is not objective scientific proof...and can never in all eternity be...science deals with the physical universe, not the spiritual...get it?
Salvador
RF's Swedenborgian
God is eternal, so it makes sense to me that He has always existed within our eternal universe. However, I believe that God expanded the space of our eternal universe so that life could evolve over billions of years; and He is now expanding the universe towards infinity so that trillions of humanoids with eternal souls can exist with Him.