Bill Cosby found guilty

[Subduction Zone]

What if the judege gives him 2 years and he gets out in 1?

With his history I doubt if that will happen. What is worrisome is that he may have grounds for appeal. Not on his obvious guilt, but on how his prior testimony was used against him. Conceivably he could remain free on bail while waiting for the appeals process to work its way through the courts and at his age he could die naturally before this happened.

 

[Subduction Zone]

This is true, and it makes me wonder if he might try to jump bail and flee the country. That was a fear of the prosecutor, who said that Cosby had a private plane (at which point Cosby exploded and denied it). There are numerous countries without extradition treaties with the U.S.

Yes, that is another worry in this case. It is not over yet, but at least the victims have been vindicated.

 

[Riders]

I love the old Bill Cosby Show ans I Spy. I liked the ones where Denise was trying to get her crap together because she reminded me of me. I liked the one where she came home from her crazy job in Africa and she was married that was hillarius.

For those who are worried how he may be in jail don't worry. I've seen a special on this and use to write a prisoner who told me the same thing.

Prison system these days seperate prisoners in you and middle age and old young guys between 16 and 30 are in one prison and the elderly old age , if they are in the same prison with others, they take them away in the day hours all day to a prison old folks home.

Some people think they have it to easy but they have to do it they have to be able to have nurses give them their meds. They get to watch tv eat popcorn play games and socialize with their fellow elderly prisoners day hours. They are seperated from the younger prisoners.

So no he will not be raped, of course I imagine too many prisoners wouldn't want too anyways its Bill Cosby. But the elderly in prison do get treated differently they are in an old age section of prison.

Of course the judge could give him 2 years and he may not stay past 6 months anyways so.

 

[Riders]

With his history I doubt if that will happen. What is worrisome is that he may have grounds for appeal. Not on his obvious guilt, but on how his prior testimony was used against him. Conceivably he could remain free on bail while waiting for the appeals process to work its way through the courts and at his age he could die naturally before this happened.

Oh I didnt know that.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Right? Sheesh...

Totally! He should have been locked up yeeeeeaaaaars ago. Would have saved a lot of women a lot of pain.

Why are you convinced of this?

He was a guy with a lot of clout in Media. I am certain that plenty of people were willing to trade sex for a career boost. I see no particular reason that he would have to rape anyone to get laid all he wanted.

Sleazy, to be sure. Humans are like that. Including the women who will "sleep their way to the top" if that's what works.
But when someone says "Cosby drugged Constant", they are flat out wrong. She drugged herself, according to the testimony. She went to some dude's place wanting "career advice", took pills, and had sex. Yeah, that's really gross. But he didn't slip drugs into her drink or something. She asked for, then took, a batch of blue pills before putting out.

Then she went back, IIRC.
She wanted something from Cosby, a lot.
I don't think it's right to hold him responsible for the outcome of choices that she made. Trashy as they both are.

So why do you think it's his fault? Because he's successful or because he's male? I am sure that you are too politically correct to imagine that it's because he's black.
Tom

Um, it's his fault because he had sex with her WITHOUT HER CONSENT. Unconscious people can't consent to things. There are 50+ other women who say he did the same to them.

 

[columbus]

And if he wanted some "strange" so badly he should have followed the Charlie Sheen method when questioned why a good looking young man hired so many hookers. Let me paraphrase:

'I did not pay them for sex, I paid them to go home.'

Cold and calculating but better than rape.

Why pay them in cash, which is illegal, when all you have to do is make a phone call to someone with a part they might qualify for?
Here's what I think happened. An ambitious wannabe TV actress knew how things worked. She hooked up with a TV mogul who could give her really solid "career advice". But she didn't think of herself as "that kind of girl", the kind who trades sex for career advancement. But she actually was.
So she asked for pills to take the edge off what she was doing. He gave them to her. She popped them, then did what she had to do to get ahead in the industry.
It didn't work out for her, because she really isn't that talented. But the litigation lottery looked like a good bet, so she sued.
Years and years later, when she can't be expected to remember every detail or conversation.

I think she's a fraud and is exploiting the current political climate and Cosby's success.
Tom

 

[columbus]

Um, it's his fault because he had sex with her WITHOUT HER CONSENT. Unconscious people can't consent to things. There are 50+ other women who say he did the same to them.

I don't believe the "without her consent" part.
Sorry, I am not a feminist. I believe that women are capable of deciding what to do, and then taking responsibility for the outcomes.
Tom

 

[SkepticThinker]

I don't believe the "without her consent" part.
Sorry, I am not a feminist. I believe that women are capable of deciding what to do, and then taking responsibility for the outcomes.
Tom

You don't believe that unconscious people can't give consent? Really?

Doesn't matter if it's a man or woman. People who are unconscious can't consent to anything.

 

[columbus]

So you believe that if you were mislead by someone you trusted into taking something you thought was something else, then they proceeded to violate you while were unconscious, it would be you rather them in the wrong

Would you go to a gay dudes house, looking for career advancement, ask for pills first, then take a handful of blue pills?
I don't think you would. Because you know better. And I think Constand knew too.
Tom

 

[Jumi]

Would you go to a gay dudes house, looking for career advancement, ask for pills first, then take a handful of blue pills?
I don't think you would. Because you know better. And I think Constand knew too.

Many criminals use the excuse that their victims should have known better. It doesn't absolve them of their crimes.

 

[columbus]

You don't believe that unconscious people can't give consent? Really?

Doesn't matter if it's a man or woman. People who are unconscious can't consent to anything.

But if you ask for something, before passing out, you have given consent.

Like I said earlier, I do believe in personal responsibility more than the SJWs or feminists or whatever.
Tom

 

[columbus]

Many criminals use the excuse that their victims should have known better. It doesn't absolve them of their crimes.

We're not talking about "should have known better".
We're talking about asking for something. Constand went there to get something.
Tom

 

[Subduction Zone]

Would you go to a gay dudes house, looking for career advancement, ask for pills first, then take a handful of blue pills?
I don't think you would. Because you know better. And I think Constand knew too.
Tom

Yes, but it is common knowledge that all gay people are . . . oh wait,

Seriously you are now trying to defend Cosby by claiming that gay people are not trustworthy? There are on the order of 60 women that have made similar claims about Cosby. Either there are a lot of women that tried to use him and not use anyone else or there just might be something to their claims. Quite often people that make false claims have a history of doing so. They could not shake the testimony of the five women that the judge limited this case to. The defense could not find any women that were serial accusers. I think that Cosby had a well practiced method and it worked.

By the way 60 women came forward. How many others did not come forward? The number of women willing to make this sort of accusation is almost always lower than the number of victims.

 

[Subduction Zone]

But if you ask for something, before passing out, you have given consent.

Like I said earlier, I do believe in personal responsibility more than the SJWs or feminists or whatever.
Tom

But just taking a pill is not "asking for it". And there are those that will point out that if a person gets to the point of not being able to say no that anything that happens after that is not "informed consent".

 

[Subduction Zone]

We're not talking about "should have known better".
We're talking about asking for something. Constand went there to get something.
Tom

A role or a job, if you want to claim that she went there looking for sex that puts the burden of proof upon you.

 

[SkepticThinker]

But if you ask for something, before passing out, you have given consent.

Like I said earlier, I do believe in personal responsibility more than the SJWs or feminists or whatever.
Tom

How's that??

 

[columbus]

Point of clarification, to everyone!
I think that Cosby's behavior was appalling. Almost as sleazy as Trump's.
And lots of other people I know.

Sleazebags are sleazebags, and the world is full of them. Male and female and whatever...
I don't see Cosby as special, given the circumstances.

Tom

 

[columbus]

A role or a job, if you want to claim that she went there looking for sex that puts the burden of proof upon you.

Uh, no.
I don't think she went there looking for sex.
She went there for "career advice".
According to her.
Tom

 

[Subduction Zone]

Point of clarification, to everyone!
I think that Cosby's behavior was appalling. Almost as sleazy as Trump's.
And lots of other people I know.

Sleazebags are sleazebags, and the world is full of them. Male and female and whatever...
I don't see Cosby as special, given the circumstances.

Tom

Trump has his own problems. He would use the fact that he was running the Miss Universe and other pageants as an excuse to barge through changing rooms. Sometimes with underaged contestants. That could be a charge on its own. He also apparently did follow through with his "grab em by the ###$#" boast that he made. That would be a minor sexual assault almost anywhere.

But at least there is no evidence that he drugged and raped those women. I am sorry but Cosby is in a league of his own in this matter.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Uh, no.
I don't think she went there looking for sex.
She went there for "career advice".
According to her.
Tom

Usually that indicates she wants a role, not a roll in the hay. Cosby at that time was a well respected icon. Going to him for help would not be unreasonable.