Black man harrassed by white neighbors for fishing in his own neighborhood.

[Secret Chief]

In this case, how much clearer could things be?

Well, one could only be certain if the white people were wearing baseball caps that said " I Hate ******* " on them. Then it might be accepted there is a small racist element. But then white people can suffer from racism too. And women can. So this guy is probably just an oversensitive woke socialist. And an atheist. Probably gay too. Yeah, **** him.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

No, I didn't. Politics has nothing to do with it. I simply and correctly assume that most people are not racially motivated. You are projecting.

Most people, no, and it didn't say most people in that community were harassing him. But there's enough it's an issue. And it doesn't look good when white non-residents don't get questions. It looks worse when the manager wants the guy to say it was a misunderstanding to save the girl's job.

 

[Shaul]

So what facts did you use to determine that this case is a "red herrings". Please be precise.

For you to ask this indicates that you didn't recognize the pun and/or that you don't know what a red herring is.

 

[Shaul]

Most people, no, and it didn't say most people in that community were harassing him. But there's enough it's an issue. And it doesn't look good when white non-residents don't get questions. It looks worse when the manager wants the guy to say it was a misunderstanding to save the girl's job.

Or it truly is a misunderstanding. We should assume the majority case absent a preponderance of reasons to do otherwise. There isn't such a preponderance here. Ultimately this case is "he said/she said" with a reporter who may well not be unbiased.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Or it truly is a misunderstanding. We should assume the majority case absent a preponderance of reasons to do otherwise. There isn't such a preponderance here. Ultimately this case is "he said/she said" with a reporter who may well not be unbiased.

That it's not an isolated incident but rather has occurred multiple times casts doubt on your claim.

 

[Revoltingest]

I think the race angle is a red herring.

Race is what matters. And it's the particular
kind of racial relationship. If black neighbors
harassed a white fisherman, it wouldn't be
news.
Same with cops abusing civilians. Race is
typically only mentioned if the victim is black,
& at least one of the cops is white.
The media gots tah keep up the story that
whites are perps, & blacks are victims.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It looks as if the lake was open to public fishing if one had a license. Rules in lakes can vary from state to state, but even if it was "residents only" all that they could do would be to call the police.

Now the reason that "private lake' might be open to public fishing is that when it comes to stocking the lake that is often a state government job and that would open it up to the public.


I do not see how anyone can justify the acts of the people that were harassing him.

 

[sayak83]

Each case is judged on its own merits, unless you are biased, of course.

You believe this data below is fake?
Hate crimes in US surged 11.6% in 2021, fueled by racial, ethnic bias

 

[Shaul]

That it's not an isolated incident but rather has occurred multiple times casts doubt on your claim.

That he repeatedly returned to the site even after knowing he wasn't authorized to do so, and with the expressed intention of capturing someone objecting casts HUGE doubt on the veracity of the claims from the man in the article.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That he repeatedly returned to the site even after knowing he wasn't authorized to do so, and with the expressed intention of capturing someone objecting casts HUGE doubt on the veracity of the claims from the man in the article.

Can someone ask @Shaul when it was ever verified that he could not fish where he was fishing? I saw only claims, no verifications, that some parts of the lake were off limits to fishing. I saw nothing that stated that the black man was fishing in those spots. In fact the questions that he was asked indicates that it was not those areas since it sounds like it would have to have been closed off to everyone.

 

[Rachel Rugelach]

Just this morning I was questioned while I was running on my street. An elderly woman, who was with her son and one of my neighbors, didn't recognize me and questioned "Where do you live?" implying I had no business being here. It must be racial, right? She wasn't questioning others. Maybe she is bigoted against Jews! Well actually, she knows me. She just didn't recognize me in my running kit and minus my glasses. We know each other well. As you can see, until you know the whole story don't jump to erroneous conclusions.

Shaul, I'm glad that you had reason to feel that you weren't being unduly harassed in that personal anecdote you provided. Unfortunately, the Black man in @Father Heathen's posted link did feel that he was being harassed by his white neighbors. What's more, he had documentation of more than one such incident, which he recorded for his TikTok account.

I would not be so quick to brush off someone else's experience, as if to tell someone else how they ought to feel. We can't fully understand the depth of another person's frustration and humiliation simply because we believe that we have had a similar experience. And, in this case, Mr. Gibson had several such incidents.

Edited to add: "Two other white men fishing nearby told Gibson that they had been fishing at the pond for seven years and had never been questioned, even though they didn’t live in the community. Since then, Gibson started capturing all incidents on camera." (Quoted from the OP's link to article)

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Or, more likely, it is that I am being quite reasonable and that you are biased assuming things are about race when they aren't.

The evidence presented in the article seems to support the expression of racial bias. Unfortunately, a big one that hasn't gotten away.

 

[Shaul]

Shaul, I'm glad that you had reason to feel that you weren't being unduly harassed in that personal anecdote you provided. Unfortunately, the Black man in @Father Heathen's posted link did feel that he was being harassed by his white neighbors. What's more, he had documentation of more than one such incident, which he recorded for his TikTok account.

I would not be so quick to brush off someone else's experience, as if to tell someone else how they ought to feel. We can't fully understand the depth of another person's frustration and humiliation simply because we believe that we have had a similar experience. And, in this case, Mr. Gibson had several such incidents.

Edited to add: "Two other white men fishing nearby told Gibson that they had been fishing at the pond for seven years and had never been questioned, even though they didn’t live in the community. Since then, Gibson started capturing all incidents on camera." (Quoted from the OP's link to article)

From the article he admits that he 1) knew the pond was not open to him and 2) purposely set out to get recordings of people asking him not to fish there. Since he admits he is quite willing to break the law to fish there it is reasonable to wonder if he purposefully acted in a manner to provoke people to confront him. The experiences of the other men are irrelevant. There is no evidence that they knew they were in violation. Furthermore they had not gone there with the expressed motivation to be confronted as Gibson himself confessed he had.

 

[Shaul]

The evidence presented in the article seems to support the expression of racial bias. Unfortunately, a big one that hasn't gotten away.

No it doesn't. It supports that Gibson knew he was breaking the law by fishing there, that he had been told repeatedly not to do so, that he was annoyed being told not to and continued to do so anyways, and that he set out to be confrontational out of spite.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

No it doesn't. It supports that Gibson knew he was breaking the law by fishing there, that he had been told repeatedly not to do so, that he was annoyed being told not to and continued to do so anyways, and that he set out to be confrontational out of spite.

What law is a man breaking when he fishes in a community lake in his community that is open to fishing by holders of a permit that he holds?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

No it doesn't. It supports that Gibson knew he was breaking the law by fishing there, that he had been told repeatedly not to do so, that he was annoyed being told not to and continued to do so anyways, and that he set out to be confrontational out of spite.

I reread the article. You lost me. A man lives in a private community that has a lake as part of that private community giving him legal access to fish there as a community resident. He has a fishing license to fish in publicly accessible waters in Georgia where he lives. The community rules indicate that fishing is open to those holding a license. Again, I ask, what law is he breaking and flaunting? How do you reconcile the police being called on him when he is a resident against the claim by white non-residents that they have fished there for seven years without bother if it isn't racially motivated? How do you reconcile the number of incidents if it isn't racially motivated?

 

[Subduction Zone]

From the article he admits that he 1) knew the pond was not open to him and 2) purposely set out to get recordings of people asking him not to fish there. Since he admits he is quite willing to break the law to fish there it is reasonable to wonder if he purposefully acted in a manner to provoke people to confront him. The experiences of the other men are irrelevant. There is no evidence that they knew they were in violation. Furthermore they had not gone there with the expressed motivation to be confronted as Gibson himself confessed he had.

Where did he ever admit that? He said that he was told that it was for residents only, but even the homeowner's association disagrees with that:

"According to the Springwater Plantation’s homeowners association, fishing with a permit is allowed at the private community’s lake." And it seems that he does live there. He very rightfully refused to give his address to people who had no business asking. A police officer could have been called. If it was residents only he could have asked for an ID. Regular citizens can't. If you lived in a community without all of your guns would you give out your address to anyone that demanded it?

 

[Shaul]

I reread the article. You lost me. A man lives in a private community that has a lake as part of that private community giving him legal access to fish there as a community resident. He has a fishing license to fish in publicly accessible waters in Georgia where he lives. The community rules indicate that fishing is open to those holding a license. Again, I ask, what law is he breaking and flaunting? How do you reconcile the police being called on him when he is a resident against the claim by white non-residents that they have fished there for seven years without bother if it isn't racially motivated? How do you reconcile the number of incidents if it isn't racially motivated?

He doesn't live in the private community. Re-read the article carefully. He never says he lives in the Springwater Plantation. One of the rules of the Springwater Plantation are that you must have a fishing license. But the article never says that that is the only restriction. It says the lake is a private lake. It says there are signs up identifying the lake as private property. Signs Gibson knew about and flagrantly ignored and violated. Not only did he knowingly ignore the signs himself but he brought in two car loads of friends from out state to trespass. He broke the law by trespassing. I reconcile the "number of incidents" with his purposefully trying to provoke the incidents because he wasn't allowed to fish where he knew he had not right to do so and he had been called on it.

 

[Rachel Rugelach]

From the article he admits that he 1) knew the pond was not open to him and 2) purposely set out to get recordings of people asking him not to fish there. Since he admits he is quite willing to break the law to fish there it is reasonable to wonder if he purposefully acted in a manner to provoke people to confront him. The experiences of the other men are irrelevant. There is no evidence that they knew they were in violation. Furthermore they had not gone there with the expressed motivation to be confronted as Gibson himself confessed he had.

Is this what you are referring to, from the article?: "Drolet [president of Springwater Plantation’s board of directors] said he also spoke with one of Gibson’s family members to indicate which parts of the lake were off-limits for fishing. During the meeting, Drolet said Gibson appeared and told him that 'doesn’t really matter' and that that area of the lake has always been a place to fish and gaze."

I believe the point of the article is that Mr. Gibson had been singled out for fishing there, despite the fact that others had been fishing there all along. There has been a double standard applied that certainly appears to be a racial one.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

He doesn't live in the private community. Re-read the article carefully. He never says he lives in the Springwater Plantation. One of the rules of the Springwater Plantation are that you must have a fishing license. But the article never says that that is the only restriction. It says the lake is a private lake. It says there are signs up identifying the lake as private property. Signs Gibson knew about and flagrantly ignored and violated. Not only did he knowingly ignore the signs himself but he brought in two car loads of friends from out state to trespass. He broke the law by trespassing. I reconcile the "number of incidents" with his purposefully trying to provoke the incidents because he wasn't allowed to fish where he knew he had not right to do so and he had been called on it.

Interesting. You read this and it says he isn't a resident to you and I read it and it says he is a resident to me. Which of us is correct?

"Gibson, who is Black and documents his experiences fishing for catfish, carp, crappies and other fish on the social platform, said he has started videotaping every time one of the white residents in his 200-home development, Springwater Plantation, confronts him, asking for his address and questioning whether he should be there." From the article.