BLM Hurting Blacks-Brandon Tatum

[F1fan]

We all know where Marxism leads to.
So yes its a scary and extremely dangerous political ideology unless you despise freedom.

You have yet to demonstrate BLM is actually a Marxist group. Is there a problem for you not having evidence?

And even if they were, are they not free to have their own views in the USA? Are you saying the USA does not allow freedom of thought?

 

[F1fan]

Those were statistics, not facts.

You are trying to make the claim that police are racist because there are more crimes and altercations with police in minority dominant neighborhoods in today's world.

That is not racism. It's not that difficult a concept.

Why can't you get it?

In minority communities in a nation that still has a serious problem with racism. Do you expect these communities that lack investment and opportunities to just magically start acting like they are middle class communities?

 

[KW]

You have yet to demonstrate BLM is actually a Marxist group. Is there a problem for you not having evidence?

And even if they were, are they not free to have their own views in the USA? Are you saying the USA does not allow freedom of thought?

The point is that BLM is hurting blacks by encouraging crime without consequences in minority neighborhoods.

In addition to the major problem, which is the large increase in murders, a more long term problem is businesses packing up and leaving because they are tired of the robberies going unchecked.

 

[F1fan]

Mapping Police Violence recently counted 28 unarmed blacks and 51 unarmed whites who died at the hands of police in 2019.

In other words, even though whites were involved in less than half of these altercations, they were shot and killed at a much higher rate.

If there were equal numbers of whites and blacks your math would mean something.

According to the census there blacks are 13.4% of the population and whites are 60.1%. So by percentage blacks are more likely to be killed.

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/PST045221

This while half of the violent altercations with police were with minorities.

in a nation that still has a huge problem with racism. These communities face a lot of hostility by conservatives in the USA. The GOP has very few minorities in political positions while Democrats are highly diverse.

Minority communities have little prosperity and opportunities, so they are under much more social stress for those who live there. Conservatives often just point to basic numbers of violence and police interactions as if these stressed minority communities should just behave as if they are white, middle class people, and pretend their lives are OK. This is immoral in that is ignores the racism that has gotten worse in recent years, and ignores any solution to help these communities improve. Banks get bails outs, the wealthy get huge tax cuts, yet impoverished communities get very little investment. They are expected to pull up their boot straps yet they have no boots.

The narrative of police racism is a leftist fantasy used to advance their agenda. They don't care that this hurts law abiding minorities who are the vast majority.

This statement is right wing extremist rhetoric that has that tinge of ongoing racism that increased after Trump was elected. The GOP offers no solutions to minority communities. I suspect the right wing is happy that blacks are stressed and in conflict because it offers them a way to accuse democrats of having no solutions. The thing is democrats do make proposals, but republicans resist investment in these communities. The modern GOP represents the sort of long term, institutional racism that goes back to the civil war.

 

[F1fan]

The point is that BLM is hurting blacks by encouraging crime without consequences in minority neighborhoods.

Give us evidence. You keep just making claims as if we can just take your biased opinion of these matters. We see your bias, so if you offer no credible evidence we just reject your claims given your biased attitudes.

Conservatives have a bad reputation for lying, much due to Trump's influence as a chronic liar. So when conservatives make claims we demand credible evidence. By credible that means reputable sources, not biased right wing disinformation. If you can't find any, then your claims fail.

In addition to the major problem, which is the large increase in murders, a more long term problem is businesses packing up and leaving because they are tired of the robberies going unchecked.

And what solutions do you think would work? Have you once offered any solutions like more investment? Have you addressed the direct causes for high stress in these communities that have high poverty and low opportunity? Do you just expect these marginalized communities to behave as if they are a white suburb and everything is hunky dory?

White privilege may be real, but economic class is a bigger factor in driving inequality

You love to complain. You offer no solutions, and that makes your contribution pretty shallow and empty.

 

[Heyo]

You have yet to demonstrate BLM is actually a Marxist group. Is there a problem for you not having evidence?

And even if they were, are they not free to have their own views in the USA? Are you saying the USA does not allow freedom of thought?

BLM can't be a Marxist group. Marx teaches that all struggle is class struggle, not race struggle. So a Marxist would agree with @Twilight Hue that all lives matter. Hmm ... maybe @Twilight Hue is a Marxist?

 

[KW]

If there were equal numbers of whites and blacks your math would mean something.

According to the census there blacks are 13.4% of the population and whites are 60.1%. So by percentage blacks are more likely to be killed.
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That is not relevant.

The issue is the number of violent altercations with police.

More than half of violent crimes today are committed by blacks.

This is based on many factors including liberal social policy.

If you count forwards from 1980 and calculate all murder rates by race, then black people account for 52.5% of all murders, with those of a white and hispanic background accounting for 45.3%.

Given the facts, it is clear that there will be more blacks shot by police and it has nothing to do with racism.

What we need to address is the root causes of this crime, including absent fathers, failing schools, and the decline of faith life.

That's what Brandon Tatum and other conservative activists are trying to address.

 

[F1fan]

That is not relevant.

The issue is the number of violent altercations with police.

More than half of violent crimes today are committed by blacks.

This is based on many factors including liberal social policy.

If you count forwards from 1980 and calculate all murder rates by race, then black people account for 52.5% of all murders, with those of a white and hispanic background accounting for 45.3%.

Given the facts, it is clear that there will be more blacks shot by police and it has nothing to do with racism.

What we need to address is the root causes of this crime, including absent fathers, failing schools, and the decline of faith life.

That's what Brandon Tatum and other conservative activists are trying to address.

So your intent in these posts is just to make black people look bad?

 

[KW]

So your intent in these posts is just to make black people look bad?

Are you illiterate?

My intent is to expose the damage caused by leftist groups like BLM and the DNC and move toward real solutions to our problems.

 

[F1fan]

Are you illiterate?

My intent is to expose the damage caused by leftist groups like BLM and the DNC and move toward real solutions to our problems.

Then you have failed to present any evidence or coherent solutions. You seem to have a set of prejudices that affect your beliefs, attitudes, and comments.

Do you think liberals have any place in society or politics?

Should people be allowed to vote for liberals, in your view?

 

[KW]

Then you have failed to present any evidence or coherent solutions. You seem to have a set of prejudices that affect your beliefs, attitudes, and comments. Do you think liberals should have any place in society or politics? Should people be allowed to vote for liberals, in your view?

The meaning of liberal changes over time.

I prefer the term leftists. I don't think anyone should support leftist views because they hurt people.

The world would be a much better place if all leftists abandoned their political ideology and embraced common sense.

 

[F1fan]

The meaning of liberal changes over time.

How has it changed?

I prefer the term leftists.

Why is this word better?

I don't think anyone should support leftist views because they hurt people.

What views hurt people? And how do they harm?

The world would be a much better place if all leftists abandoned their political ideology and embraced common sense.

How would it be better? Explain what you think the world would look like if Democrats were no longer a party.

 

[KW]

How has it changed?


Why is this word better?


What views hurt people? And how do they harm?


How would it be better? Explain what you think the world would look like if Democrats were no longer a party.

Classical liberalism is free market capitalism.

This term is still used in much of the world to indicate free market advocacy.

Leftism better describes what is happening in the Democrat Party today.

If Leftism were defeated as an ideology, we would see increased prosperty, better education, more security/less crime, and better relations between individuals. Leftism is divisive and counter productive.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

BLM can't be a Marxist group. Marx teaches that all struggle is class struggle, not race struggle. So a Marxist would agree with @Twilight Hue that all lives matter. Hmm ... maybe @Twilight Hue is a Marxist?

It's neo-Marxism. They use the theory of Marxism as a framework to attack, criticize and deconstruct various aspects of society, substituting race and gender/sex for economic class. This approach to it came from academia, especially in the humanities.

 

[Heyo]

Leftism better describes what is happening in the Democrat Party today.

If you think the US Democrat Party is "left", you'd better never visit Europe. The culture shock would kill you.
(From our pov the dems are far right and the GOP is crazy right.)

 

[Heyo]

It's neo-Marxism. They use the theory of Marxism as a framework to attack, criticize and deconstruct various aspects of society, substituting race and gender/sex for economic class. This approach to it came from academia, especially in the humanities.

If neo-Marxism and Marxism are so far off, one would better use the correct label.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

If neo-Marxism and Marxism are so far off, one would better use the correct label.

Marxism has changed a lot over the past century. Ideologies don't stay static, unless they're dead.

 

[Secret Chief]

The world would be a much better place if all leftists abandoned their political ideology and embraced common sense.

Love it.

Common sense = Your rightwing political ideology.

 

[KW]

If you think the US Democrat Party is "left", you'd better never visit Europe. The culture shock would kill you.
(From our pov the dems are far right and the GOP is crazy right.)

It's all a matter of degree. It is destructive everywhere.

The Scandanavian countries have headed back to common sense the last 15-20 years.

 

[KW]

Love it.

Common sense: Your rightwing political ideology.

Yes. Protect the border so we know who is entering the country.
Put criminals in jail. Don't let men compete in girl's sports. Treat each person as an individual, not as a monolithic cog in some identity group.
Let people with different opinions express their views even if hateful or stupid. Don't take guns from law abiding citizens.