ecco
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Who said that? Please show evidence for your assertion.
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Blood clots
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Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
If 1 out of 5 people died of blood clots after taking the vaccine, it would be reasonable to assume people choose not to take it.
Since it's 6 out of a million, I'm sure that's not the primary reason for not taking it. I think majority of it is that they don't want to be coerced and/or mandated to take it. But their opposing peers seem to do just as worse.
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ecco
Veteran Member
In early January, they announced the availability of vaccines in my area. As much as I tried to get an appointment using the "authorized" website - no luck. The site was either down or otherwise screwed up. I finally called the office of the County Commissioner. A nice assistant there apologized and said the County sites were being run by the state and the state is causing the problems. However, he said he would try to help. A few days later, at around 9:30 AM he called to tell me the website would open at 10:00.
I got online at ten and got reservations for my wife and me for both shots. We had to go at different times and different places. But by mid-February we had completed both shots.
Sometimes you have to be a squeaky wheel.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
That's point. That and/or confirmation bias
People against vaccines more than likely because of people for it. When you're brain washed and the minority are not subjected to it, the former gets upset cause the latter doesn't want to follow the herd.
If you're not with us, you're against us.
Saying "you're saving lives" doesn't justify provacciners hate anymore in comparison god is justification to get coerce people to come to Christ.
Why do you guys think you're the victim?
ecco
Veteran Member
Yeah. The kind of herd mentality that gets ingrained into little kids and leads them to believe in fairy tales about beautiful gardens and great floods. Beliefs comparatively few ever shed.
ecco
Veteran Member
Who are you referring to?
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Honestly, from talking to various people online and in real life, I do actually think that is the reason people don't want to get it. They think the risk of getting a blood clot from the vaccine is much higher than it actually is, while somehow not realizing that the risk of getting a blood clot from COVID is much higher. People don't seem to understand statistics very well these days.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Pro-vaxxers hate on anti-vaxxers as if they are the victims and the anti-vaxxers are some how putting them in danger.
You referring to a group of the same opinion.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Yeah. I honestly don't know if they have a stat on how many people are more receptible to COVID by dividing it by location, population, age, and so forth. That'll give an idea that even though the risk is there, if people understood statistics they can see how much risk they are in to make decisions based on their own and their loved ones well-being. I'd never go off 400,000,000 died (making it up) as a means to take vaccine, medicine, treatment, and otherwise. They'd probably do all that later, but I do think it would be helpful in general.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Frequently Asked Questions About COVID-19 Vaccine Studies. How will the scientists know if the vaccine is effective?
The studies use a design known as “randomized, double-blinded, placebo-controlled clinical trials.” This means that some people in the study will get the vaccine, and some will get a placebo (sterile salt water that does not have any vaccine in it).
The vaccine and the placebo will appear identical, so neither the volunteers nor the study doctors will know who receives the vaccine and who receives the placebo. This is what we mean by “blinded.” To ensure the safety of the participants, the research pharmacist, who is not a study volunteer or a study doctor, keeps a “code book” to record who received the vaccine and who received the placebo....
The studies use a design known as “randomized, double-blinded, placebo-controlled clinical trials.” This means that some people in the study will get the vaccine, and some will get a placebo (sterile salt water that does not have any vaccine in it).
The vaccine and the placebo will appear identical, so neither the volunteers nor the study doctors will know who receives the vaccine and who receives the placebo. This is what we mean by “blinded.” To ensure the safety of the participants, the research pharmacist, who is not a study volunteer or a study doctor, keeps a “code book” to record who received the vaccine and who received the placebo....
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
Because they are required to make decisions about people's health on evidence. Without further investigations and the eventual evidence, they had no choice. But it is more than likely that JJ vaccine will resume their roll out world wide.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
The validity of the vaccine causing blood clots was challenged on this thread-but if what I posted was not true, they'd have no reason to pause that particular vaccine. Obviously, they thought it was an important thing to take into consideration. These are professionals. But as layman, I guess there is only but so much one can do than taking the risk regardless.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Here's something else I've found Sweden joins Germany, France, and 15 other countries in suspending AstraZeneca's vaccine over possible side effects Blood clots seem to be a big issue though rare.
ecco
Veteran Member
Anti-vaxxers do put people at risk.
People put their own children at risk.
Vaccines Have No Role In ADHD - CHADD
A fraudulent study published in 1999 claimed the measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine was the cause of autism and autism spectrum disorder. This caused two very important trends–the first prompting thousands of parents to forgo or delay vaccines for their children out of the fear of the child developing autism.
A fraudulent study published in 1999 claimed the measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine was the cause of autism and autism spectrum disorder. This caused two very important trends–the first prompting thousands of parents to forgo or delay vaccines for their children out of the fear of the child developing autism.
By not getting their children vaccinated, they provide a base population for the emergence of these diseases.
If only half the population gets the Covid vaccination, there will be a large mass of humans for the virus to infect and mutate. To make matters worse, the people resisting getting the shots are also the ones gathering in enclosed bars, restaurants, sporting events, and soon theaters. They are also the loudest critics of the necessity of shutting down portions of the economy.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
How to explain this...um
If you have 50 in a room all at some sort of risk for COVID (age/health/location/etc).
20 people out of 50 in the room developed COVID and the rest did not (from what we know); the 8 died and 12 got better.
40 people in the room decide to get vaccinated and 10 people do not.
Those 10 people are at the same risk as they were before people decided to get vaccination. Their risk level didn't change because the majority got vaccinated. Their risk will only be higher depending on their health, age, asymptomatic, and the nature of the virus itself. Until then, they will always be at the same risk theoretically no matter if they are 1 out of 100 that didn't get vaccinated.
If 49 people got vaccinated and that one person did not, he is still at the same risk factor unless his circumstances (health/age/location/etc) changed but not because he wasn't vaccinated in and of itself. That and if 49 people got vaccinated, they are not in danger.
You will only Know if the unvaccinated (and vaccinated) person put someone else in danger is if you know whether or not he is asymptomatic or symptomatic. Since you don't "know" you can't say he does/will/is... only that he could/may/possible. We just don't know.
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With children, it's up to the parents if they should get vaccinated whenever they approve that its safe for children.
What you're saying only works if someone actually has COVID or asymptomatic and decides not to get the vaccine. Since we don't know, what you're saying is an intelligent possibility. Good judgement call that's why people get the vaccine. It doesn't prove unvaccinated people have COVID, it just says that there are consequences IF they did have it and where not vaccinated.
My question is how ARE unvaccinated people spreading the disease not their level of probability and consequences IF they do have it to spread to others.
ecco
Veteran Member
Do try to keep up
Sweden joins Germany, France, and 15 other countries in suspending AstraZeneca's vaccine over possible side effects
Grace Dean and Dr. Catherine Schuster-Bruce
Mar 16, 2021, 12:46 PM
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Can you address my questions (and don't bold and red type. I literally do not read them)
What you're saying only works if someone has COVID (asymptomatic or symptomatic) and did not get the vaccine. Since we do not know, we can only make intelligent guesses and judgement calls.
What you're saying doesn't prove unvaccinated people have COVID, it just says that there are consequences IF they did have it and where not vaccinated.
My question is how are unvaccinated people spreading the disease when we don't know if they have it in the first place?
Not talking about the level of risk and consequences IF they have it or not-just the fact that they did not get vaccinated and therefore "are" putting people in danger.
(Edit...that and how can you make a fact statement when you don't know if they have COVID or not)
ecco
Veteran Member
Wrong. We do know. We know that the more people who get infected the more the virus can mutate. Right now, as far as we know, the vaccines work against all the variations. But if people continue to get infected and the virus continues to mutate, we will end up with a strain that the current vaccines do not protect against. Then we are back to where we were in March of 2020 with everyone vulnerable.
Fewer unvaccinated people mean less chance for the virus to mutate. Why is that so hard for you to understand?
ecco
Veteran Member
Maybe you should read what I bold and put in red.
That article was from over a month ago. That's something you should have seen when you linked the article. Perhaps you just saw a headline that you liked and didn't bother to actually read the article.
Since then many countries have already OK'd the vaccine.
ecco
Veteran Member
What a silly question.
You do know that the vaccine has spread since March 2020, don't you?
You do know that people have gotten the virus (US 32,000,000)
You do know that people have died from the virus (US 584,000)
Most of those people probably didn't know they had the disease. Some of them obviously spread the disease.
We do know the people who spread the virus had the virus. That is a fact.
We do know that people who do not have the virus did not spread it. That is a fact.
You comment makes no sense.