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Born again virgin?
- Thread starter Deidre
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It's stupid and sexist. Virginity itself is an abstract concept that doesn't mean much.
lostwanderingsoul
Well-Known Member
O do not think you would ask if you were not interested. Maybe if you gave some of your ideas it would lead to a better discussion.
Agree somewhat, but it's a concept that means that two people who have been having sex, decide to 'wait' until the marriage night. It seems to be like pretending something, Idk.
This is interesting, SF. Why do you feel it's sexist?
I agree about your thoughts on virginity, and it's hard sometimes to accept the view of Christianity, when it comes to sexuality.
I have two friends offline who are Christian, who are 'exploring' this concept in their own relationships, and think that I should 'explore' the concept in my relationship. The thought being that to be a devout Christian, one should be abstaining from sex until marriage.
It's sexist because it's pretty much only female virginity that is valued in just every culture that cares about the concept. It stems from a mindset that views women as possessions.
I'm a pretty liberal person, sexually. Jesus didn't say anything about sex except to tell married people not to divorce and not to lust after other people.
I agree with everything you say here. It's funny, because in all honesty, when two people are married and wish to have sex...doesn't lust become part of the equation? How can sex not have a certain level of lust (healthy lust?) involved? lol Agree especially about women being 'valued more' for being virgins, in many cultures. Excellent points, thank you for your thoughts to it!!
I think it's more talking about the negative form of lust which dehumanizes the person and makes them an object. Lust as simple sexual desire is perfectly healthy and it would be illogical to say that's wrong. Also, I think Jesus' audience when He said that was mostly married people and it seemed to be mostly a warning not to commit adultery.
You're welcome.
It's gotten so out of hand that there's actually "artificial hymen" kits: http://madamenoire.com/216550/artif...ike-a-virgin-touched-for-the-very-first-time/
It's sick.
It's sick.
I think it's more talking about the negative form of lust which dehumanizes the person and makes them an object. Lust as simple sexual desire is perfectly healthy and it would be illogical to say that's wrong. Also, I think Jesus' audience when He said that was mostly married people and it seemed to be mostly a warning not to commit adultery.
You're welcome.
This is SUCH a refreshing view. I know Christians who think the polar opposite. But, then again, many Christians view the Bible as an albatross to wear around their necks, and it's not unusual for many Christians to have unhealthy hang ups and views of sexuality. If one believes that sex outside of marriage is 'dirty' and 'evil,' and needs a series of guidelines and rules surrounding it, not sure how that mindset just vanishes after marriage? (This is why I believe a lot of Christian marriages end in divorce)
Now, that's sad.
(and yes, sick!)
Mycroft
Ministry of Serendipity
What do you think of this idea?
I'm not personally interested in this lol
I think that once the bottle's been uncorked, that cork ain't never going back in.
Virginity was, once upon a time, the way to establish paternity and inheritance. Now we can DNA test, so it shouldn't matter. As for the spiritual aspect there isn't one that I can see. In all cases of Biblical mention whether 2Cor 11:2 where it talks about presenting the church as a 'Pure virgin' to God or whether its the 'Virgin Mary', the thing that it deals with and the reason that the word 'Purity' is used is that it established the paternity. In terms of the Church it is about a Church without idolatry, so it is about getting rid of idolatry. In the case of Mary it means that Jesus inherits a particular nature from his father -- a non idolatrous one.
When speaking of spiritual things and purity the Bible mentions springs, and it has the concept of right and wrong springs of water. There are poison springs and good springs. Rather than born-again-virgin consider the idea of fresh and bitter springs as described in Bible verses and leave sexual connotations out of it. Jesus tells a women he has not met about living water that should come from within so that she never thirsts. He already knows she has had 5 husbands and is with someone who isn't her husband, yet for some reason he doesn't tell her to leave that man or discuss virginity. Instead he discusses 'True worship' and does not seem concerned with talking about virginity at all. He is more concerned about living springs.
When speaking of spiritual things and purity the Bible mentions springs, and it has the concept of right and wrong springs of water. There are poison springs and good springs. Rather than born-again-virgin consider the idea of fresh and bitter springs as described in Bible verses and leave sexual connotations out of it. Jesus tells a women he has not met about living water that should come from within so that she never thirsts. He already knows she has had 5 husbands and is with someone who isn't her husband, yet for some reason he doesn't tell her to leave that man or discuss virginity. Instead he discusses 'True worship' and does not seem concerned with talking about virginity at all. He is more concerned about living springs.
Thana
Lady
What do you think of this idea?
I'm not personally interested in this lol
Sounds like a silly way to try and call take-backs.
But I don't believe it works that way.
You sin, you ask for forgiveness and you move forward. You don't try to pretend you never sinned in the first place.
That's my two cents, anyway.
Experiences cannot be un-experienced.
Well, memory loss notwithstanding, I suppose.
Well, memory loss notwithstanding, I suppose.
Quoted for truth.
That was a great post. Very informative. Thanks.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Who wants to be a boring virgin anyway ?.