Both fully God and fully man

[lostwanderingsoul]

Yes, indeed. He had to live by faith like the rest of us. He is the Savior of humanity. It behooved Him to be made like His brethren in all respects. Even tempted like us. He is the "second Adam" and the promised seed of Abraham.

This is why Jesus took on human form and this is why He took all power in heaven and earth in human form. To save humanity through the power He had promised to Himself. So, to put it simply. God in times past promised all power in heaven and earth to a human being. This human being would be the Savior of all humanity. However, God made this promise; knowing that He Himself would come in human form to take the power and by doing so; redeem all those who believed in Him through that power.

Because Jesus is given all power in heaven and in earth only after the crucifixion through the resurrection. So that He can save humanity and reconcile them to the Father.

Hebrews 2:16-18
For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

So, now Jesus sits on the right hand waiting until all of humanities enemies are put under His human feet. He does this for us, by becoming Human; He makes our enemies His enemies. And so they will be defeated for us.

Once Jesus mission is accomplished and He has redeemed a spiritual nation who is the Bride of Christ and He has washed them in His own blood and cleansed away all guilt. And this nation is perfect in every way. Then He will present them unto the Father as a redeemed and worthy people and He will be at their head as the "Son of man" and "head of the body".

This will mean that the whole body and head of the body will be the temple of God forever. A fitting abode and place able to give rest to the Father. Because God is love and God rests in His love as it is written in Zephaniah 3:17.

So this was the purpose of creation and redemption. To make God a fitting resting place which is His holy nation and is also called the new Jerusalem.

Because no physical temple could ever give rest to this God. Even the heavens of the heavens cannot contain Him. But this new Jerusalem will satisfy His desire to love and so He will rest. Which is the 7th day that is coming. The true Sabbath of God. And so God wants people to join in His rest. Which is joy unspeakable and full of glory as it is written.

Jesus sits on the right hand of .....himself?

 

[MJFlores]

I provided several quite biblical examples. You must have missed them in the construction of banality you’ve provided.

For an excellent study on the theological implications of resurrection I mentioned, let me provide this source from an eminent scholar: https://www.westarinstitute.org/store/the-trouble-with-resurrection/

The scholar cannot explain why the bible says

And you relied your faith on some nincompoop?

Tell me why does it state in

Acts 4:10 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)
be it known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by him this man is standing before you well.

Q: Who raised Jesus Christ from the dead?
A: God did
Conclusion: Jesus Christ isn't God because God raised him from the dead. A 4th grader could distinguish that. Why can't you???

Romans 10:9 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)
because, if you confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Who raise who?
Who was dead?
Who revived who was dead?

Galatians 1:1 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)
Paul an apostle—not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead—

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

It should come at no surprise. After all, in Romans 8:26 we see the holy Spirit prays for us (whoever has the holy Spirit that is) with groanings that cannot be uttered. So God constantly prays to Himself in countless people filled with the holy Spirit. And it's no surprise that Jesus therefore is God and yet prayed to God.

Yes, Jesus is God. But Jesus is not the Father. Sure sounds like two separate entities.

 

[MJFlores]

Hebrews 2:16-18
For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

When people use a hard to understand version of the bible
What happens? confusion and misinterpretation
It would be nice if people disclose the version of the bible
So people would be aware if the translation was faithful
When eating or drinking, we are concerned about where the food and drinks came from
if not then we might as well eat from the trash bin and drink from the toilet seat

Hebrews 2:16-18 New International Version (NIV)
For surely it is not angels he helps, but Abraham’s descendants. For this reason he had to be made like them, fully human in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people. Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.

Unlike your unlabeled bible version, the NIV says the Lord Jesus Christ was made like Abraham's descendants and the bible says the Lord Jesus Christ is fully human in every way. An idiot would read something which is not written and we are not idiots - we really don't want to become one.

Matthew 28:18 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)
And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

Now the question is, who gave Jesus all authority in heaven and earth?
Apparently Jesus is the receiver and for the receiver to receive something, there must be a giver.
Who is the giver?
We should take our answers from the Bible

Matthew 9:1-8 New International Version (NIV)
Jesus stepped into a boat, crossed over and came to his own town. Some men brought to him a paralyzed man, lying on a mat. When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the man, “Take heart, son; your sins are forgiven.”

At this, some of the teachers of the law said to themselves, “This fellow is blaspheming!”

Knowing their thoughts, Jesus said, “Why do you entertain evil thoughts in your hearts? Which is easier: to say, ‘Your sins are forgiven,’ or to say, ‘Get up and walk’? But I want you to know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins.” So he said to the paralyzed man, “Get up, take your mat and go home.” Then the man got up and went home. When the crowd saw this, they were filled with awe; and they praised God, who had given such authority to man.

Who is that man? Jesus Christ.
Who gave Jesus such authority? It was God.
Jesus Christ received what God gave.
Jesus is not God

 

[LightofTruth]

Because he’s differentiating between human will and Divine will. Remember: Jesus is as much an avatar for humanity as he is for Divinity.

Duh what

 

[LightofTruth]

Jesus sits on the right hand of .....himself?

In that case we are to understand God to be the Father alone. Duh what

 

[LightofTruth]

Think Doctrine. There is only one Doctrine.

One doctrine but so many explanations. The only thing Trinitarians can agree upon is that Jesus is God. beyond that it's a free-for-all

 

[74x12]

When people use a hard to understand version of the bible
What happens? confusion and misinterpretation
It would be nice if people disclose the version of the bible
So people would be aware if the translation was faithful
When eating or drinking, we are concerned about where the food and drinks came from
if not then we might as well eat from the trash bin and drink from the toilet seat

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Hebrews 2:16-18 New International Version (NIV)
For surely it is not angels he helps, but Abraham’s descendants. For this reason he had to be made like them, fully human in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people. Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.

Unlike your unlabeled bible version, the NIV says the Lord Jesus Christ was made like Abraham's descendants and the bible says the Lord Jesus Christ is fully human in every way. An idiot would read something which is not written and we are not idiots - we really don't want to become one.

Matthew 28:18 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)
And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

Now the question is, who gave Jesus all authority in heaven and earth?
Apparently Jesus is the receiver and for the receiver to receive something, there must be a giver.
Who is the giver?
We should take our answers from the Bible

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Matthew 9:1-8 New International Version (NIV)
Jesus stepped into a boat, crossed over and came to his own town. Some men brought to him a paralyzed man, lying on a mat. When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the man, “Take heart, son; your sins are forgiven.”

At this, some of the teachers of the law said to themselves, “This fellow is blaspheming!”

Knowing their thoughts, Jesus said, “Why do you entertain evil thoughts in your hearts? Which is easier: to say, ‘Your sins are forgiven,’ or to say, ‘Get up and walk’? But I want you to know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins.” So he said to the paralyzed man, “Get up, take your mat and go home.” Then the man got up and went home. When the crowd saw this, they were filled with awe; and they praised God, who had given such authority to man.

Who is that man? Jesus Christ.
Who gave Jesus such authority? It was God.
Jesus Christ received what God gave.
Jesus is not God

NIV is not a literal translation. In fact the good ol' KJV is much more literal; even though it's not a dedicated literal translation. I can't help it if people can't understand old words used the KJV. People should do their own research with any post I make. If you want a more modern literal translation we can use one of those. Use the NIV if you want; but when it comes to debates we need a literal translation.

Besides, the KJV is the only version that is linked on this website. So I stick with it; unless I find a passage questionable in the KJV.

As for your comparison. I don't think it's right or fair. I like the good ol' KJV. It's not perfect but it's definitely not toilet water.

 

[74x12]

It is, actually.

You've never heard of modalism?

 

[74x12]

Jesus sits on the right hand of .....himself?

The "sitting on the right hand of God" is a symbol and position of authority. This is why Jesus says clearly that they will see the "Son of man" coming on the clouds and sitting on the right hand of "power". (Matthew 26:64)

So it is the Son of man who was God manifest in human form and is still in glorified human form that sits on the right hand. Why? Why would God do this? Because the Son of man's work is not finished until all His enemies are made His footstool.

This is clear from 1 Corinthians 15:24-28. Please read it. The Son will sit on the right hand and He will reign until all things are subdued to Him then comes the end only after that. Then the Son will deliver the kingdom to God.

So in other words; the Son's work is not finished. That is why He still sits on the right hand in glorified human form. So that He can subdue all humanities enemies under His human feet. For our sakes. Not for His own sake! Because these enemies had no power over Him. He does it for us. He did all things for us. Now, we know He is God manifest; who did all things for us and He gave all glory to the invisible God. As we also should do. Because Jesus didn't come to seek His own glory. He came for the glory that was reserved for Him from the foundation of the world. The glory that only God could give Him. Which is the glory of the cross and the resurrection.

 

[MJFlores]

NIV is not a literal translation. In fact the good ol' KJV is much more literal; even though it's not a dedicated literal translation. I can't help it if people can't understand old words used the KJV. People should do their own research with any post I make. If you want a more modern literal translation we can use one of those. Use the NIV if you want; but when it comes to debates we need a literal translation.

Besides, the KJV is the only version that is linked on this website. So I stick with it; unless I find a passage questionable in the KJV.

As for your comparison. I don't think it's right or fair. I like the good ol' KJV. It's not perfect but it's definitely not toilet water.

KJV is alright. I often use the NIV, ERV, GNT, - I do not stick my faith in just one version or translation. As long it was translated faithfully. My personal choice would be the NIV but I would use other versions if a NIV translation is in error to squeeze the truth out.

Now, I recommend people to DISCLOSE and REVEAL what Bible version they are using - so that people could VERIFY the words posted. False teachers do not want verification because they want to get the lie out. What is the sinister reason why people do not want to disclose their bible version for verification?

Maybe their translation looks like this.

 

[LightofTruth]

I’m sorry you feel that way.

I would suggest that you inform the Trinitarians that their doctrine is incorrect. Tell them Jesus is an avatar for humanity and not fully man by having the mind and will of man.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Below is a quote from Desiring God website which explains how Jesus could be both fully God and fully man. The writer says:

"Jesus is just as fully human as the rest of us, for just as he has all of the essential elements of the Godhead, he has all the essential elements of human nature: a human body, a human soul, a human mind, a human will, and human emotions. His human mind was not replaced by his divine mind. Rather, he has both a human and divine mind."

According to the writer, Jesus has two minds and two wills.

So, what do you think?

Personally, I think it's hogwash.

I'd agree Jesus is fully man.

Made up and puppeteered 100%.

 

[sojourner]

The scholar cannot explain why the bible says

And you relied your faith on some nincompoop?

Tell me why does it state in

Acts 4:10 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)
be it known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by him this man is standing before you well.

Q: Who raised Jesus Christ from the dead?
A: God did
Conclusion: Jesus Christ isn't God because God raised him from the dead. A 4th grader could distinguish that. Why can't you???

Romans 10:9 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)
because, if you confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Who raise who?
Who was dead?
Who revived who was dead?

Galatians 1:1 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)
Paul an apostle—not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead—

Of course, you didn’t read it before condemning it.

Typical.

 

[sojourner]

Duh what

It’s like explaining music theory to an ant...

 

[sojourner]

One doctrine but so many explanations. The only thing Trinitarians can agree upon is that Jesus is God. beyond that it's a free-for-all

You haven’t really read any of my replies.

Typical.

 

[sojourner]

You've never heard of modalism?

Nope. Not modalism.

 

[sojourner]

I would suggest that you inform the Trinitarians that their doctrine is incorrect. Tell them Jesus is an avatar for humanity and not fully man by having the mind and will of man.

You would suggest a lot of bad advice, I’m afraid.

 

[Shakazuluuuuu]

Below is a quote from Desiring God website which explains how Jesus could be both fully God and fully man. The writer says:

"Jesus is just as fully human as the rest of us, for just as he has all of the essential elements of the Godhead, he has all the essential elements of human nature: a human body, a human soul, a human mind, a human will, and human emotions. His human mind was not replaced by his divine mind. Rather, he has both a human and divine mind."

According to the writer, Jesus has two minds and two wills.

So, what do you think?

Personally, I think it's hogwash.

Fully has a humans faults, failures, and weaknesses. I agree with that.

 

[MJFlores]

Of course, you didn’t read it before condemning it.

Typical.

The mere fact you showed the link shows you want me to reveal your alleged proof.
Second, opening untrusted links poses dangers on my computer
A long time ago an old computer programmer almost enticed me to open an attachment filled with computer viruses.

Therefore it is recommended to show and tell
Show the specific text by "copy and paste"
and then show the link

You would show a large area and say the truth is out there
and you expect me to find it? I think that is a lot of bull manure.
Show us the alien and then show us where you found it.
Your find, your evidence.