brainwashed?

[Kenny]

Atheist agenda Ken?



U.S. has a lot of people of different religions not just christian. The idea is not to take out religion, but to have a place where one person's religion isn't compromised by another (as in christian and Muslim history )

I remember when they did take prayers out of schools. We stooped putting our hands over our hearts and later on everything changed all together. Muslims at my college have their place to pray (called a meditation area) but I was told by one christian they tried to get a section for their Catholic prayers, they were denied. Can you think of it, everything is christian and everything is not is "atheist" like we are trash thrown aside for christians to tolerate?

I mean, I would love everything to be traditional only if it doesn't compromise my belief, yours, a Muslims, nor a Pagans (and so forth).

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I agree... but isn't it odd that after giving freedom to all religions, a section for Catholic prayers was denied?

What's up with that?

 

[Drizzt Do'Urden]

Many of the religious appear to think S/He/It has something to do with us humans.

Of course, and like I said in the post that began our conversation, they are mistaken.

God gave us reason, NOT religion...

I'm with Ambassador Franklin...

"I cannot conceive otherwise than that He, the Infinite Father, expects or requires NO worship or praise from us, but that He is even infinitely above it."

[Benjamin Franklin from "Articles of Belief and Acts of Religion", Nov. 20, 1728]

 

[sealchan]

i trusted what i was taught. trust means nothing to atheists? if it was bad, then why do they teach christianity???

That is the eternal question one may ask of any culture...

These are the most profound issues as I see them with what is taught that is bad in Christianity...

• The events literally happened...modern scholarship including literary analysis and comparative myth show that the source of much of what's in the Bible can be found in contemporary and earlier stories and myths from local and distant cultures
• That the events literally happening is essential...anyone who has read literature knows better. The fact of the matter is is that the stories of the Bible ARE literature and were originally composed like literature always has been...by drawing on literary tradition and source material available to the author(s)
• That the words of the Bible are so special that anything in rational disagreement with them is wrong...anyone who has studied science and who is familiar with modern scholarship on a whole host of topics knows this is wrong. Anyone who understands the Bible knows it deals with the mysteries of life in such a way that forming a consistent rational system of belief will never be able to address. The irrationalism in the Bible is as much its virtue as its rational system of laws.
• Tradition/conservatism is truth and all change is toward a corruption of values...today's traditions were always, always yesterday's revolutions. New ideas aren't necessarily always more true but they do have the virtue of responding to inadequacies of the traditional knowledge system. Out of a variety of new approaches, a few will go on to form up the tradition of the next generation.

 

[Twilight Hue]

i've noticed, a lot of people, mostly atheists, believe that christians are brainwashed by the christian doctrine. do atheists find the chistian doctrine so absurd, that only by brainwashing someone can believe in it? what if atheistic ideas are brainwashing humans? suppose atheism becomes the dominant norm in a society. will we say then that atheism brainwashes the mind of people, and the skeptic ones will be the christians?

If atheism was the dominant form, nobody would be talking about it.

It's because of theism that atheism would be even considered a topic for debate and discussion.

 

[stvdv]

will we say then that atheism brainwashes the mind of people

Would be good though, clean brains. Finally Freedom of Thoughts.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I agree... but isn't it odd that after giving freedom to all religions, a section for Catholic prayers was denied?

What's up with that?

Yeah. I was shocked too. We live in a protestant dominate area. We have a lot of Muslim students. Its interesting. People are less threatened by the muslim religion (when they actually have an in-person interaction) than catholics. For example, the JW I met years ago and friends welcomed my being Buddhist. So, when I said catholic, they whithered.

Bad history more so than anything else.

 

[stvdv]

That IS the athiest agenda that they want taught in schools

Maybe not.
Christian agenda = Teaching kids "God exists"
Atheist agenda = Teaching kids "God does not exist"

Neutral agenda = Teaching kids "All the words except GOD"

 

[Kenny]

Maybe not.
Christian agenda = Teaching kids "God exists"
Atheist agenda = Teaching kids "God does not exist"

Neutral agenda = Teaching kids "All the words except GOD"

Heaven forbid that someone might suggest the possibility that there is a God.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

i trusted what i was taught. trust means nothing to atheists? if it was bad, then why do they teach christianity???

That just means if you were in Saudi Arabia you'd be a Muslim, if you were in Israel a Jew, and India a Hindu.
What I teach my kids is to not follow my beliefs without questioning them, nor to reject out of hand.
What I try not to do is transpose dogma.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Heaven forbid that someone might suggest the possibility that there is a God.

To be clear, I actively teach my kids about various beliefs, including some around God. I don't limit that to one concept of God though.

I would wonder if your comment applies to Christians who deny a Muslim God, or Hindu beliefs, or paganism, etc?

 

[stvdv]

Heaven forbid that someone might suggest the possibility that there is a God

At least heavenly peace in the classroom though
[No fiery debating like on the forum]

 

[stvdv]

That just means if you were in Saudi Arabia you'd be a Muslim

Can you proof that if you were born in Saudi Arabia you would not be a Muslim?

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Can you proof that if you were born in Saudi Arabia you would not be a Muslim?

Of course not.
That's quite different from someone who has explicitly said there is value in accepting what you're taught without question.

If pressed to guess, I'll think I'd quite possibly be a cultural Muslim, without true belief, too afraid to openly 'flaunt' my atheism.

What difference does that make?

 

[Polymath257]

Your right, but Atheists will never commit themselves as saying, that Atheists can brainwash people into believing their agenda.

So why are Atheists wanting to take their agendas into schools. When Atheists yells no Christian agenda in schools, but yet Atheists wants their agenda in schools. To brainwash kids into their agenda.
Kinda sounds more like alot of hypocrites.

To be an atheist is nothing more or less than not having a belief in a deity. Atheists exist in all corners of the political spectrum.

The main 'agenda' I have seen in the schools is the one many fundamentalist Christians have of getting their particular interpretation of religion and science into the classrooms. That is why creationism is even an issue: among actual scientists it isn't. If we simply teach the science as scientists have found it, some people claim it is atheism attacking their beliefs.The reality is that people are standing up to deny a theocracy from developing.

 

[stvdv]

That's quite different from someone who has explicitly said there is value in accepting what you're taught without question

Maybe that person was brainwashed into believing that, like being born in Moslim country
I have met plenty of Christians who are not open to what seems for me logic
I was brainwashed "Hell does not exist". No way that someone can change that
And the other way round, I can not convince Christians of my believe
Some things just seem to be fixed if taught at very young age [or take at least long to change]

 

[Polymath257]

Well there you go, Atheists only wants their agenda in schools. Thank you for admitting that

No, that is simply not wanting public schools to teach teach a particular religion. That is, by the way, why 'freedom of religion' implies 'freedom from religion;. A government agency cannot and should not promote any religious viewpoint. It should stick to secular matters and the schools should only teach such matters.

The religious schools have full rights to promote their particular views to those who want to be taught those views.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Maybe that person was brainwashed into believing that, like being born in Moslim country
I have met plenty of Christians who are not open to what seems for me logic
I was brainwashed "Hell does not exist". No way that someone can change that
And the other way round, I can not convince Christians of my believe
Some things just seem to be fixed if taught at very young age [or take at least long to change]

Doesn't that just support my point, then?

 

[Mock Turtle]

Most people, in general, do not think for themselves, and follow the beliefs of whoever they deem to be "authorities." Atheists are no different. They just trust atheist intellectuals like Dawkins, Harris, and Pinker more than theistic intellectuals. While it's true that no one would be a Christian without first being told Christianity is true by someone else, I would wager that the majority of atheists (particularly youngsters) would not be atheists had they not been told atheism is a philosophy for cool, smart people by other atheists. BTW, I lean strongly toward atheism myself, but I'd like to think that I came to that conclusion by my own thinking, and not because someone told me to.

I doubt this is true. Those who read such people are probably capable of disagreeing with anything they might see as a step too far or in any way just as irrational as any religious information. I try to be as unbiased whilst reading these as I would anything else. And, like many I would think, they are mostly just confirming rather than changing views - speaking for myself that is. And your second point is a bit condescending to the youth of today - how about them just not believing the religious side of the story - where else would they go If they rejected this?

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Most people, in general, do not think for themselves, and follow the beliefs of whoever they deem to be "authorities." Atheists are no different. They just trust atheist intellectuals like Dawkins, Harris, and Pinker more than theistic intellectuals. While it's true that no one would be a Christian without first being told Christianity is true by someone else, I would wager that the majority of atheists (particularly youngsters) would not be atheists had they not been told atheism is a philosophy for cool, smart people by other atheists. BTW, I lean strongly toward atheism myself, but I'd like to think that I came to that conclusion by my own thinking, and not because someone told me to.

You think most atheists became atheists due to listening to atheist thinkers?
How widespread do you think even name recognition of Dawkins, Harris and Pinker are in Australia (for example), and how does your belief fit with the rapidly changing religious demographics???

 

[stvdv]

Doesn't that just support my point, then?

Oh, I am glad to hear that my points support your points.