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[Aupmanyav]

Modi on the road to an overwhelming win.

Modi's BJP is on way to a landslide victory in Uttar Pradesh (India's largest state with 1/6th of India's population) leading in 300 out of 400 seats. This shows that Muslims have finally got out of their religious prison and have voted whole-heartedly for BJP, till now considered a Hindu party. The magnitude of the win would not have been possible without Muslims voting for Modi and BJP. This gives a overwhelming 'yes' vote to Modi's demonitiztion, his clean 3-year rule, and it lays the foundation of a future win in national elections in 2019.

With this, Modi completes his 'Ashwamedha' yajna. He is the undisputed Emperor of India. The Nehru-Gandhi dynasty is finally decimated. He got what he wanted - a 'Congress Mukta Bharat'.

BJP also is winning in a similar way in the Himalayan state of Uttar Khand. BJP is winning in the Eastern India state of Manipur. The situation in the West Coast state of Goa is yet not clear. BJP, because of its association with the discredited Akali Dal has definitely lost Punjab. But that is all in the game.

http://www.news18.com/assembly-elections-2017/uttar-pradesh/

 

[Kirran]

Emperor of India, just what India needs, another dynasty.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Modi has no one to bequeath his empire to. Final score: 324 out of 403, i.e., 80 % of the seats.
Relevant to Hinduism because for we have suffered long under anti-Hindu rule.

 

[Kirran]

Modi has no one to bequeath his empire to. Final score: 324 out of 403, i.e., 80 % of the seats.
Relevant to Hinduism because for we have suffered long under anti-Hindu rule.

The general principle though - tbh, I'm not sure that many of the groups feeling legitimised by the BJP ascendance aren't pretty anti- most Hindus. They're against Hindus who are LGBT+, Hindus who are progressive, Hindus who are pluralistic, Hindus who aren't nationalist, Hindus who are left wing, Hindus who are feminists, Hindus who are of the wrong caste backgrounds...

 

[Vinayaka]

Great news for India. Perhaps now some real work can get done, like banning aggressive proselytizing with foreign money, and putting temple donations back to temples.

 

[Aupmanyav]

BJP is not against LGBT+. Now that we have UP, BJP may bring the necessary change in law to benefit them. We don't like parades, but they are free to do whatever they want to do in their life. There will not be any discrimination. Courts will take care of that. We have a strong judicial system. Though the old laws prohibit it, the Supreme Court has made it clear that it does not constitute a criminal act.

Here in India till now, unless, one is Hindu-hater or even an India-hater, one is not considered progressive. This definition of being progressive has to change.

Why should a Hindu not be nationalistic or even a Muslim, Sikh or Muslim? Ashfaq (-ullah Khan) and Bhagat Singh were nationalistic. My homage to both of them. They are my idols. Among the people who have received our highest gallantry award (Pram Vir Chakra), we have Abdul Hamid (a Muslim), Ardeshir Taraporewala (a Zoroastrian), Albert Ekka (a Christian), and Nirmal Jeet Singh Sekhon, Bana Singh, Joginder Singh Sahnan, Karam Singh (all Sikhs). They laid their lives for the nation. They too have my reverence.

No problem about being left-wing, go by the rules of democracy. Kerala has a communist government. Only do not repeat the Mao line "Power comes through the barrel of the gun". Remember, India has bigger guns than they may ever have. The law of the land has to be followed.

Which is the wrong caste? Modi is an OBC. All castes have voted for BJP, including Muslims, otherwise BJP would not have won in this way. It is the so-called secular and progressive parties who don't want the caste and religious labels to go because they can fool the people and get votes by frightening them of the BJP demon. BJP itelf is for removal of all such discrimination. Let the benefits of 'affirmative action' go to all poor people irrespective of their caste or religion.

Yeah, we don't want women to go alone to dance bars at 1 a.m. in scanty clothes, get drunk and raped, and then come to us that we should have taken care. They also have to be careful about the state of the society. That is not Indian culture. We don't want even men to do this.

Kirran, India is not US, UK, Europe or Africa. We will go by our ways. Kindly read my post carefully. You have many misconceptions about us and BJP.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Great news for India. Perhaps now some real work can get done, like banning aggressive proselytizing with foreign money, and putting temple donations back to temples.

Yeah, I hope Modi will do something about it like getting temple money used for Hinduism rather than subsidizing Haj travel. I do not care if it is done by other monies. At least leave the temple money for Hindus.

 

[Vinayaka]

Yeah, I hope Modi will do something about it like getting temple money used for Hinduism rather than subsidizing Haj travel. I do not worry if it is done by other monies. At least leave the temple money for Hindus.

This must give him a boost that he's on the right track at least. But the rights of Hindus, so abused over so many centuries, will take a long time to return.

 

[Kirran]

@Aupmanyav There already is massive discrimination and prejudice against LGBT+ people in India. That's the baseline. And plenty of the anti-LGBT+ rhetoric is coming out of the extreme wing of the Hindutvavadis, who are legitimised by the BJP's rise. VHP, for example, is anti-homosexuality.

You seem to be taking my point about nationalism incorrectly - I am not making a point for or against nationalism, but against how people holding such views are treated. The growth in nationalist rhetoric tends to accompany a rise in villification of those who are not nationalist.

Modi is an OBC because he got his caste reclassified as soon as he came to power, yes, but some of the more extreme groups which are being legitimised during India's current political processes are casteist, that is the case.

I don't know what the later parts of your post, about women going to bars and getting raped, are in relation to.

 

[Reggie Miller II]

I'm for religious freedom so this is a good thing. Congrats.

 

[Kirran]

@Aupmanyav do you reckon you'd consider having this moved to General Discussion or somewhere so that non-Hindus can chime in? It's a political rather than a religious issue in any case.

 

[Vinayaka]

@Aupmanyav do you reckon you'd consider having this moved to General Discussion or somewhere so that non-Hindus can chime in? It's a political rather than a religious issue in any case.

I personally hope not, We'll get tons of anti-Hindu absurd misconceptions, like listening to CNN's latest 'shockumentary' about Hinduism. To me, this is what a DIR is for ... a place where we don't have to sort out so many misconceptions.

Of course anyone (hint) can start an Indian politics thread in political debates if they wish.

 

[Aupmanyav]

And plenty of the anti-LGBT+ rhetoric is coming out of the extreme wing of the Hindutvavadis, who are legitimised by the BJP's rise. VHP, for example, is anti-homosexuality.

The growth in nationalist rhetoric tends to accompany a rise in villification of those who are not nationalist.

Modi is an OBC because he got his caste reclassified as soon as he came to power, yes, but some of the more extreme groups which are being legitimised during India's current political processes are casteist, that is the case.

I don't know what the later parts of your post, about women going to bars and getting raped, are in relation to.

Kirran, there will always be fools. Do not worry about them. Even some of the BJP walas are motor-mouths. Rest assured that they are not going to make any change in the BJP policies. Why should not all Indians be nationalistic? At least let them not be anti-Indian, because if they are, then they transgress law and suitable action ill be taken against them.

No, Kirran. Modi belongs to the 'Modh Ghanchi' caste. Google. The traditional profession of 'Ghanchis' is rearing cattle and selling milk. They are Gujarati/Rajasthani equivalent of Yadavs. There has been no change in Modi's caste. See Item 25 in this list: List of Socially and Educationally Backward Classes of Gujarat State | List of Species | મુખ્‍ય પૃષ્‍ઠ | Director, Developing Castes Welfare

That is in relation to BJP being anti-feminists.

ps - I have made some additions in my previous post. Would you care to go through it?

 

[sayak83]

Modi on the road to an overwhelming win.

Modi's BJP is on way to a landslide victory in Uttar Pradesh (India's largest state with 1/6th of India's population) leading in 300 out of 400 seats. This shows that Muslims have finally got out of their religious prison and have voted whole-heartedly for BJP, till now considered a Hindu party. The magnitude of the win would not have been possible without Muslims voting for Modi and BJP. This gives a overwhelming 'yes' vote to Modi's demonitiztion, his clean 3-year rule, and it lays the foundation of a future win in national elections in 2019.

With this, Modi completes his 'Ashwamedha' yajna. He is the undisputed Emperor of India. The Nehru-Gandhi dynasty is finally decimated. He got what he wanted - a 'Congress Mukta Bharat'.

BJP also is winning in a similar way in the Himalayan state of Uttar Khand. BJP is winning in the Eastern India state of Manipur. The situation in the West Coast state of Goa is yet not clear. BJP, because of its association with the discredited Akali Dal has definitely lost Punjab. But that is all in the game.

Live Uttar Pradesh Assembly Election Results 2017

Some wish list ( apart from very imp economic development)
1) Working fast to finally do a cleanup of ganga and it's catchment area now that both UP and Uttarakhand is under BJP. Ecological conservation of subhimalayan region in Uttarakhand also high priority.

2) Develop Varansi, Hardwar , Mathura as world heritage cities. Conservation of historic temples and overall better service to millions who come th

3) Conserving important archaelogical sites across UP. Several have continued settlement from early iron age right through maurya and gupta period. Others show the beginning of rice domestication from 8000 BCE , making them as old as Mehrgarh. Greater visibility of such things among ppl.

Uttarakhand and UP is the heart of the Gangetic lands of the north. The flourishing of all its people , it's cultures and it's environment through the challenges of modernization and climatic stresses is a must do. Its sad to see this land so riddled with entrenched caste and religious factionalisms. Hopefully this changes now.

 

[Aupmanyav]

You see, Sayak, Modi has his own limitations. It is the RSS which campaigns for BJP in elections. Modi cannot ignore RSS. Some RSS favorites in the Cabinet are not very effective, but they cannot be changed. Uma Bharti, Gadkari, Nadda, Harsh Vardhan are some such people. He also cannot remove Rajasthan or Madhya Pradesh Chief Ministers, Vasundhara Raje and Shiv Raj Singh Chauhan. It is real-politik. Same reason that he could not break away from Akali Dal in Punjab though he knew that they are going to loose. Modi has to work in spite of them. We should sympathize with him.

 

[Kirran]

Kirran, there will always be fools. Do not worry about them. Even some of the BJP walas are motor-mouths. Rest assured that they are not going to make any change in the BJP policies. Why should not all Indians be nationalistic? At least let them not be anti-Indian, because if they are, then they transgress law and suitable action ill be taken against them.

No, Kirran. Modi belongs to the 'Modh Ghanchi' caste. Google. The traditional profession of 'Ghanchis' is rearing cattle and selling milk. They are Gujarati/Rajasthani equivalent of Yadavs. There has been no change in Modi's caste. See Item 25 in this list: List of Socially and Educationally Backward Classes of Gujarat State | List of Species | મુખ્‍ય પૃષ્‍ઠ | Director, Developing Castes Welfare

That is in relation to BJP being anti-feminists.

ps - I have made some additions in my previous post. Would you care to go through it?

It is not policies that concern me so much as societal sentiments, which are no doubt impacted. I am not talking about whether Indians should or should not be nationalistic, as I said. I am talking about accepting varying voices on the subject.

I had read that Modi's caste had been reclassified upon his attaining power in Gujarat. I'll have a look for it later. It may have been incorrect.

R.e. LGBT+ rights - section 377 is still in effect. Sex between two people of the same gender is, by law, punishable with up to life imprisonment in India, in stark contrast to one of your immediate northern neighbours which ould be legalising same-sex marriage within the next couple of years or so.

I didn't see how it related to feminism.

The BJP has been very successful recently in portraying itself as being about moving past corruption etc, although studies haven't found any significant difference between the corruption levels among BJP vs Congress officials.

 

[Chakra]

Modi is a visionary, but Kirran is right, there are traces in the BJP party that cannot be trusted with a new India.

 

[Fireside_Hindu]

@Aupmanyav

I know this is a bit off topic, but I just have to interject because of your casual comment about women in skimpy clothes going to clubs and getting raped as somehow being their fault.

I was sexually harassed and threatened repeated in broad daylight in India during my last trip while wearing kurta, pajama and chunnri. It's not about clothes, and it's not about how women choose to have a good time. If we want to prevent rape we should probably teach our boys to...you know...keep their hands to themselves.

 

[Kirran]

@Aupmanyav

I know this is a bit off topic, but I just have to interject because of your casual comment about women in skimpy clothes going to clubs and getting raped as somehow being their fault.

I was sexually harassed and threatened repeated in broad daylight in India during my last trip while wearing kurta, pajama and chunnri. It's not about clothes, and it's not about how women choose to have a good time. If we want to prevent rape we should probably teach our boys to...you know...keep their hands to themselves.

There are especial problems with sexual harassment of Western women in India, due to the prevailing stereotypes about Westerners basically. While I was there I had a friend who was a white Australian, and the amount of times she was asked for sex in the crudest of manners is basically beyond counting. Guys would follow her around for hours, a sadhu tried to have sex with her etc.

On the more general issues behind the rise in the nationalist-right in India - Making India Great Again

 

[ShivaFan]

Great news! I have been a member of Modi's app for a long time, sometimes I take tasks to complete to prokote his agenda.