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[Kirran]

It is about culture, Hindu culture that is based on the stories of Krishna and the gopis which since time immemorial has created an environment in the subcontinent in which men and women associate with each other to fulfill their natural biological function of procreation.

That's not what rape and sexual harassment are.

 

[Shantanu]

Rape culture exists in every single country on the planet, and it's wrong in every single country on the planet. It is safer to walk through a mall here in Canada mid day that it is in many countries. There was a recent situation at a water park here were a Middle Eastern person was charged with 7 counts of indecent touching from young girls complaints.

So by your own reasoning, because 'some people have strong biological urge' I suppose if you landed in jail overnight, and were raped repeatedly by the guards, it would all be fine? After all, they were just expressing their natural urges, right? Even the law has no place 'regulating' it.

Do you even know what consensual means?

A nanny state would want to legislate on all kinds of human activities based on a false notion of what are a human being's rights to privacy. It fails to take account of the fact th the human species has evolved in groups where successful groups were those that harnessed the sexual capacity of the population for regeneration purposes. If you are on a decline as a nation that needs to import people from third world countries to make up your poulation you develop a nanny state in which you consider that human beings are entitled to privacy above the needs of society.

 

[Kirran]

@Shantanu do you distinguish between consensual and non-consensual sexual activity?

 

[Vinayaka]

A nanny state would want to legislate on all kinds of human activities based on a false notion of what are a human being's rights to privacy. It fails to take account of the fact th the human species has evolved in groups where successful groups were those that harnessed the sexual capacity of the population for regeneration purposes. If you are on a decline as a nation that needs to import people from third world countries to make up your poulation you develop a nanny state in which you consider that human beings are entitled to privacy above the needs of society.

This has nothing to do with condoning immoral behaviour, as you're doing. We have immigrants coming to Canada for many reasons. We have room for more, they're escaping wars, etc.

 

[Vinayaka]

For clarity ....

Consensual .... everyone involved agrees to it, is okay with it, wants to do it
Non- consensual ... at least one person does NOT WANT to do the activity, has not given permission.

I hope this is clear.

 

[Shantanu]

This has nothing to do with condoning immoral behaviour, as you're doing. We have immigrants coming to Canada for many reasons. We have room for more, they're escaping wars, etc.

In Hindu India women and men know their roles in society in terms of the sacrifices they need to make in order to construct a family that fits into that culture and society. They understand their responsibilities and needs (dharma) in fulfilling what is required to make a coherent society. The morality idea in Canada is based on individualism not conducive to group living. That is not the Hindu way. That is what I am saying.

 

[Shantanu]

@Shantanu do you distinguish between consensual and non-consensual sexual activity?

It depends on the society that you live in as to whether this is a relevant question. Where there is emphasis on individualism consent is needed or you face the consequences of the law. Where there is group living the law is grey on whether explicit consent is needed or whether the act of marriage itself is all that is required for consent purposes.

 

[Kirran]

It depends on the society that you live in as to whether this is a relevant question. Where there is emphasis on individualism consent is needed or you face the consequences of the law. Where there is group living the law is grey on whether explicit consent is needed or whether the act of marriage itself is all that is required for consent purposes.

OK, so leaving aside (rather concerningly) domestic rape, which isn't actually what this conversation was about - what do you think of rape and harassment outside of marriage?

 

[Shantanu]

OK, so leaving aside (rather concerningly) domestic rape, which isn't actually what this conversation was about - what do you think of rape and harassment outside of marriage?

It is a form of terrorism felt by some women but not by others who relish the attention received.

 

[Kirran]

It is a form of terrorism felt by some women but not by others.

In Western countries the number is about one in five, who have been raped. I don't know what it is in India, but any rate whatsoever is unacceptable.

There are mixed reports on the numbers, because while some sources cite the number as quite low, there is also: A comparison between data from the National Crime Records Bureau (NCRB) and the National Family Health Survey (NFHS) in 2005 shows that 5.8% of rapes by men other than the victim's husband were reported, and 0.6% of rapes by the husband were reported.

 

[Shantanu]

In Western countries the number is about one in five, who have been raped. I don't know what it is in India, but any rate whatsoever is unacceptable.

There are mixed reports on the numbers, because while some sources cite the number as quite low, there is also: A comparison between data from the National Crime Records Bureau (NCRB) and the National Family Health Survey (NFHS) in 2005 shows that 5.8% of rapes by men other than the victim's husband were reported, and 0.6% of rapes by the husband were reported.

That is because in third world societies particularly most women just ignore it as one of those facts about life that they just put up with for the sake of wanting children.

 

[Kirran]

That is because in third world societies particularly most women just ignore it as one of those facts about life that they just put up with for the sake of wanting children.

Getting raped? Are you deluded?

 

[Shantanu]

Getting raped? Are you deluded?

If a woman wants children then she will not object to any number of men wanting to have sex with her, will she?

 

[Kirran]

If a woman wants children then she will not object to any number of men wanting to have sex with her, will she?

Yes! Any woman will object to being raped, Shantanu. Any man will, too. The conception of children in no conceivable way requires rape. Rape is one of the clearest violations of ahimsa out there.

 

[Vinayaka]

In Hindu India women and men know their roles in society in terms of the sacrifices they need to make in order to construct a family that fits into that culture and society. They understand their responsibilities and needs (dharma) in fulfilling what is required to make a coherent society. The morality idea in Canada is based on individualism not conducive to group living. That is not the Hindu way. That is what I am saying.

You have no idea about the morality idea in Canada. You've been misled by propaganda. Many many people get married, have kids, and give positively to the world.

 

[Vinayaka]

If a woman wants children then she will not object to any number of men wanting to have sex with her, will she?

Absolutely not true. This is a total myth. If you asked a million women this, they'd all disagree. What they want, if they want to have children, is one loving man who is responsible. How old are you? 16?

 

[Kirran]

Absolutely not true. This is a total myth. If you asked a million women this, they'd all disagree. What they want, if they want to have children, is one loving man who is responsible. How old are you? 16?

Let's be fair now Vinayaka. Some may want one loving woman

 

[Vinayaka]

Let's be fair now Vinayaka. Some may want one loving woman

Yes of course. You knew what I meant, but since we already know there are homophobes reading this, I figured I'd stick with what was 'known'.

 

[Kirran]

Yes of course. You knew what I meant, but since we already know there are homophobes reading this, I figured I'd stick with what was 'known'.

Damned if we do, damned if we don't, so I went all out

 

[Vinayaka]

It is a form of terrorism felt by some women but not by others who relish the attention received.

Totally false. Which women? Do you know any?