Perhaps because it does not exist.
Meanwhile, the damage from Brexit is very tangible and demonstrable.
Do you truly expect people to have much of an interest in presuming phantoms to exist just because it bothers you that they are not perceived?
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Brexit is Costing Britain 500 Million Pounds per Week and Growing
- Thread starter Sunstone
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Meanwhile, the damage from Brexit is very tangible and demonstrable.
Do you truly expect people to have much of an interest in presuming phantoms to exist just because it bothers you that they are not perceived?
Altfish
Veteran Member
It is the way of Brexit that the referendum winners, the ones with no plan, are now trying to put the blame on those who voted Remain. Priceless!!
The trouble is, they know they have sold us a dud. They are realising that we will be economically and socially worse off.
Listen to any phone in or chat show; it is the Brexiteers who are angry and shouting and accusing.
The trouble is, they know they have sold us a dud. They are realising that we will be economically and socially worse off.
Listen to any phone in or chat show; it is the Brexiteers who are angry and shouting and accusing.
Notanumber
A Free Man
When The EU enforces articles 11 & 13, fake news will be the only news available.
RESOLUTION
Active Member
Hi Altfish,
The Queen asked several dinner guests this question..
The Queen 'asks dinner guests to give her three good reasons Britain should remain in Europe'
The claims have been made by the Queen's biographer, Robert Lacey, even though Her Majesty's thoughts have not been revealed. You see Michael Gove was not where this originated from. It was the Queen's own biographer and the fact is she has never denied it. The fact is that the Queen asking others is not interfering with politics. Her Majesty has the right to opinion and to speak with her dinner guests. History has recorded it as being factual.
Appearances are deceptive... It appears we the Country have voted for Brexit. The fact is others who wanted to remain especially business owners have started to change their minds and want to exit the EU. All these comments about Brexit does not change the fact that it has to happen. It isn't about how anyone felt on the day of the vote. How anyone felt before the vote. How anyone feels after the vote. The vote has taken place and democracy means the exit from Europe is what it is. Britain may need to iron our the creases but the time comes when educated people have to see this for what it is. The exit from the EU by Britain. Britain need to close borders and go back to as it was before.
RESOLUTION
Active Member
WHO IS THE REFERENDUM WINNERS?
All these suggestions suggests one thing. You were not an exit voter. The voter is not at fault here. The government at the time of the original vote is the one carrying the can for not making sure their was an acceptable plan in place for exit before entering. The Government are again the ones at fault because when the people voted to exit they should have knuckled down and got on with it. Instead David Cameron showed how his own preference came before serving the public and ran for the door throwing his rattle out of the pram. Politics is not about the Party or the Ministers it is about the people's choice. Clearly Britain made the choice to exit. Now they need to get tough and stop playing games and get GB out of Europe.
Notanumber
A Free Man
This is a very good analysis of the situation.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
Britain was in free fall and virtually bankrupt before it Joined The EEC /EU
That looks like exactly the position we will be in after Brexit
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
The problem has always been that though there was a small majority that voted to leave, this was nothing like a majority of the population. Nor was it uniform between the countries nor counties. It was also divided by age with a large majority of Younger voters wishing to stay. nor were the Citizens living abroad allowed to vote, even though it affected them profoundly.
The present lack of unity was inevitable, and will continue.
RESOLUTION
Active Member
Would you allow a Country (to join a union) which was going bankrupt ? Seems Greece has had problems for years in the EU.
Greece may still be Europe’s sick patient, but the EU is at death’s door
Marina Prentoulis Being in the EU does not make a country wealthy or guarantee it will remain so. Was there an argument in your comment? We go forward, not backwards. What being in the EU does, is make other Countries carry the financial burden of Countries like Greece who have to be bailed out all of the time. The EEC/EU does not guarantee financial security or stability. Commerce and trade restrictions on any Country can cause financial burden and unrest. Is the EU the result of a badly thought out plan by Hitler? Nothing within the above changes the fact Britain is facing the decision it has made. Because we are living today not back in time. Exit quickly and let the rest do as they must.If Greece had remained with it's own money and economy it would be thriving now, wouldn't ? We cannot say but I do not believe it would have been worse off.
Notanumber
A Free Man
I doubt it. Once we are out the UK will have a bright future and the EU knows it.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
With out the EU Greece would indeed be Bankrupt.
Any member of the EU has every opportunity to thrive. Greece has struggled because its various governments had no financial disciplines. and was unable to meet its commitment despite handouts from the EU.
Free trade withe the EU was the saviour of the UK economy, which no longer had the income from colonisation to rely on.
Its export markets were no longer secure, and we had little to sell.
A Pre- EU state of affairs is not a situation I wish to return to.
Altfish
Veteran Member
Name me one workable plan that Johnson, Davis, Gove, Rees-Mogg or Farage came up with. Or any of the other Brexiteers..
Altfish
Veteran Member
The Referendum winners were the Leave campaign, led by Johnson, Farage, Gove, Rees-Mogg, etc.
Cameron did the only sensible thing - resigned.
Britain made the choice to exit but it was sold on false pretenses.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
Discarding free trade with our major trading partner is hardly the likely forerunner of a bright future for anyone, least of all us
It is the economics of a fool.
RESOLUTION
Active Member
You cannot see what you are doing can you? Did you mean the majority to leave was only clinched by a few votes more?
Leave won by 51.9% to 48.1% We can easily say those who lost did so by a marginal number. But the marginal number they lost by was what decided the vote would be to leave. Now we have had the vote the majority by whatever number was to leave. As there was no right or wrong just a choice then democracy means it is done and GB leave. Those abroad should not vote on an issue affecting the lives of those living in GB. Because there votes would have been about themselves not the benefit of their Country where they come from but do not live. You have to have an address and be registered to vote in GB. It is the same for all abroad whether living in Europe or none European Countries. Surely you are not suggestion we should have changed the rules as it suits. Just as now the 'NO'S are trying to change the outcome of the vote. The only ruling about voting and age is that you must be 18 years old. All votes are carried on the number of votes regardless of the number. Even if the leavers had one vote more then the majority would still mean GB to exit. There are no arguments or validations in what you write which would affect the vote or outcome of the vote under the guidelines and ruling regarding voting in GB.
Altfish
Veteran Member
Why weren't we thriving pre EU?
RESOLUTION
Active Member
The USA has already promised to increase trade. Do you think that GB would really lose out? The Companies would be able to trade with the rest of the world and get a better deal because the EU are not holding them to ransom regarding trading prices and issues. The reason why a lot of companies now want to leave is because their product can be sold on an open market far greater than the EU. The reason that GB economy could be affected is the fact so many of their people have been pushed into poverty by it's Government and to have a good trade here you need to have your people financially fluent enough to afford your products.
RESOLUTION
Active Member
Really, bring the figures and show us the actual figure from the year and show us you understand them. Don't believe everything you are told. Find it for yourself.
RESOLUTION
Active Member
The cost of living was low in Greece before they joined the EU. They could not afford to go into the EU because they could not afford the payments. Like wise the Euro and rise in cost of living etc hit their tourist trade. What was once a reasonable priced holiday destination became an unreasonable one. Value for money hit rock bottom. People will not pay the prices for Greece they can pay to go elsewhere like America. Were you alive in the pre-EU state of affairs? Did you experience the affect on our finances and economy that joining the EU, had? I did, we were worse off after we joined. May be you were told but some of us experienced it.