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British Values

Notanumber

A Free Man
I don't believe he was really treated as badly as he claims. For one thing he wasn't sent to a Muslim-majority prison (there are none in the UK) and that (along with his history of being a deceitful prick) is enough to cast doubt on the rest of his story.

It's an acceptable form of punishment.

You actually posted a link that wasn't from the right-wing echo chamber you post from all the time; it was from the Independent. I'd like to positively reinforce this into a more common occurrence. No condescension or sarcasm intended; I'm being sincere just now and to prove it I'm giving your post a 'Useful' rating just for this.

Interestingly enough, the Independent ran a similarly themed article just last night. Interesting timing.

That's great and I'm glad we agree on this. The thing is with Catholic priestly abuse is I think the police did know in a few instances and they were persuaded by the Church to let them handle it internally. Probably not as many as Rochdale though.

That said, it's the attitude and policies of UKIP & the EDL that cause me concern and are dog-whistling. They go out of their way to mention the Rochdale grooming gangs but ignore the Catholic Church completely even though they're a far bigger source of the problem. It makes them come across as white-knight-ish and as if they're using the Rochdale incidents as an excuse to pick on Muslims/brown people. They're on a very inconsistent platform. I hope you can see why the rest of us see it this way.

Also, in the case of the EDL and that senior member who was found guilty of serial child abuse, Yaxley-Lennon's silence on the subject is deafening. If he condemns child abuse why didn't he condemn this guy?

He did. Yaxley-Lennon was sent down for pulling the exact same stunt a year prior to being sent to prison this time. The judge told him to not do it again and gave him a suspended sentence. So what does he do? Ignores the judge's instructions and jeopardises the integrity of the trial. It displayed a contempt of court and that's what turned his suspended sentence into a live sentence.

You don’t believe he was really treated as badly as he claims. I believe he was.

There is a difference between Muslim-majority prisons and Muslim dominated prisons.

In a so-called civilised society, I do not believe that solitary confinement is an acceptable form of punishment.

If you are not going to accept information from sources other than the likes of the Independent newspaper, your information gathering process is going to be very restricted.

I presume you have never heard of the Sikh Awareness Society - About Sikh Awareness Society | Sikh Awareness Society


If the police failed to act regarding the Catholic Church, it was not because they were afraid of being called “racists”.

Tommy Robinson’s Right to Free Speech Morally Trumps All Laws That Violate It. (Even That One.) - The Objective Standard

As Maajid Nawaz said -

I just wish that those young girls had seen justice served for them as fast as the judge served Tommy Robinson. . . . It’s very easy for us to pick on “the bogeyman.” But, actually, the truth is that our silence over decades in this country is the real bogeyman.

That’s the real thing we should despise—our own cowardice . . . our conspiracy of silence.


Tommy makes some good points here.


Can you spot the difference in his physicality?


I took the time to watch the live stream before making any comments. Here it is –


How does it compare with the SAS video?

If you would rather not accept all the above just watch this short video –


Did Tommy Robinson receive justice or injustice?
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
You don’t believe he was really treated as badly as he claims. I believe he was.

There is a difference between Muslim-majority prisons and Muslim dominated prisons.

In a so-called civilised society, I do not believe that solitary confinement is an acceptable form of punishment.

If you are not going to accept information from sources other than the likes of the Independent newspaper, your information gathering process is going to be very restricted.

I presume you have never heard of the Sikh Awareness Society - About Sikh Awareness Society | Sikh Awareness Society

If the police failed to act regarding the Catholic Church, it was not because they were afraid of being called “racists”.

Tommy Robinson’s Right to Free Speech Morally Trumps All Laws That Violate It. (Even That One.) - The Objective Standard

As Maajid Nawaz said -

I just wish that those young girls had seen justice served for them as fast as the judge served Tommy Robinson. . . . It’s very easy for us to pick on “the bogeyman.” But, actually, the truth is that our silence over decades in this country is the real bogeyman.

That’s the real thing we should despise—our own cowardice . . . our conspiracy of silence.




Did Tommy Robinson receive justice or injustice?
I see that Stephen Yaxley Lennon's court case for CONTEMPT OF COURT has been adjourned...

Tommy Robinson contempt of court case adjourned at Old Bailey
 
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The Emperor of Mankind

Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
You don’t believe he was really treated as badly as he claims. I believe he was.

My position holds more weight because Stephen and his manager are inveterate liars. Your position relies on trusting the judgement of a man who deliberately committed contempt of court then lied about the reasons for his incarceration; who has given a rather inconsistent story about the conditions he was kept in; who tricked his supporters and sympathisers into crowd-funding the costs of his legal appeal then promptly pleaded guilty:- keeping all the money he was given and spending it on a trip to Tenerife when he got out.


There is a difference between Muslim-majority prisons and Muslim dominated prisons.

The difference being that Yaxley-Lennon's manager said his client had been transferred to a "Muslim-majority prison", not "Muslim-dominated prison". Think I'm bull****ting? Go look at that Mirror article again.


In a so-called civilised society, I do not believe that solitary confinement is an acceptable form of punishment.

I thought that was done to protect Stephen from being forcibly converted to Islam. Are you now saying you're in favour of him being forcibly converted to Islam while in prison?


If you are not going to accept information from sources other than the likes of the Independent newspaper, your information gathering process is going to be very restricted.

:rolleyes: I cited a Mirror article to start with. But I'm guessing you're not aware of that because you didn't open it.


I presume you have never heard of the Sikh Awareness Society - About Sikh Awareness Society | Sikh Awareness Society

What's this got to do with the price of cheese?


If the police failed to act regarding the Catholic Church, it was not because they were afraid of being called “racists”.

No but they could be accused of sectarianism or anti-Catholic bigotry which, given England's history with religious conflict, is arguably a more sinister label. There's also the considerable influence the Catholic Church has over society & government to consider.



There's no such thing as unlimited free speech in the UK and there never has been. If you want that then move to America. Free speech does not cover committing criminal activity such as contempt of court or jeopardising criminal trials. Not sure why you're in such a rush to defend Stephen even though he jeopardised the very kind of trial you and he are so adamantly insisting should happen. It really boggles the mind.


As Maajid Nawaz said -

I just wish that those young girls had seen justice served for them as fast as the judge served Tommy Robinson. . . . It’s very easy for us to pick on “the bogeyman.” But, actually, the truth is that our silence over decades in this country is the real bogeyman.

While Maajid does make a good point - one I agree with - that doesn't mean that Stephen should be given a free pass to break the law just because "it's not fair he got jailed first".


That’s the real thing we should despise—our own cowardice . . . our conspiracy of silence.

You can only speak for your own legal system as well as for those who knew and did nothing. Not sure why you're roping the rest of us into this.


Tommy makes some good points here.

No, I'm sure he doesn't.


Can you spot the difference in his physicality?

Nope and the reason is below.


I took the time to watch the live stream before making any comments. Here it is –

How does it compare with the SAS video?

Stephen is wearing a suit during that and the camera focusses on his head and shoulder area so it's practically impossible to get an accurate idea of his body size compared with the other video.


Did Tommy Robinson receive justice or injustice?

He received justice. He committed a crime while on a suspended sentence. In fact he committed the same crime that got him that suspended sentence in the first place. He has no reason to complain about being treated unfairly - he knew what he was doing.
 

Anthem

Active Member
You didn't. You in no way linked an act which was a violation of any value. You just asserted it. Try again.
Linked and quoted the exact text you're referring to - that you're too embarassed to quote in full - and it has a list of things that Hungary is supposed to be doing that they ain't doing. I can't make it simpler for you. Clearly you are a troll.
 

Shad

Veteran Member
Linked and quoted the exact text you're referring to - that you're too embarassed to quote in full

You claimed they violated agreements and the Lisbon Treaty I linked. There is no need to quote something I already linked.

You are projecting an emotion on to me I do not feel. Try again.




and it has a list of things that Hungary is supposed to be doing that they ain't doing. I can't make it simpler for you.

You said they violated Article 2. Your claim now, back it up.

Clearly you are a troll.

Shameless dodge to avoid your burden of proof and lack of an argument. Try again.
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
My position holds more weight because Stephen and his manager are inveterate liars. Your position relies on trusting the judgement of a man who deliberately committed contempt of court then lied about the reasons for his incarceration; who has given a rather inconsistent story about the conditions he was kept in; who tricked his supporters and sympathisers into crowd-funding the costs of his legal appeal then promptly pleaded guilty:- keeping all the money he was given and spending it on a trip to Tenerife when he got out.

He still has plenty of supporters and sympathisers so maybe they thought he deserved a holiday after what he had been through. Morally, our legal system/government should have paid for his holiday at the very least.

He explains the background for his actions here.


It would seem that you could not be bothered to watch his live stream. I do not believe he would have been arrested and imprisoned if he had been wearing a turban.

Thank goodness, we have the SAS.

 

Notanumber

A Free Man
Thank goodness we have the English Legal system.

I might agree if they chose the correct targets. They still have power over those that they think cannot fight back.

I suspect that this time they have picked on someone who can fight back, but they will do their best to silence him. The alternative would be a far more difficult challenge.

The SAS have the advantage of being “racist” proof and are a well-organised charity.

SikhAwarenessSociety
 

The Emperor of Mankind

Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
He still has plenty of supporters and sympathisers so maybe they thought he deserved a holiday after what he had been through. Morally, our legal system/government should have paid for his holiday at the very least.

He explains the background for his actions here.


It would seem that you could not be bothered to watch his live stream. I do not believe he would have been arrested and imprisoned if he had been wearing a turban.

Thank goodness, we have the SAS.


I might agree if they chose the correct targets. They still have power over those that they think cannot fight back.

I suspect that this time they have picked on someone who can fight back, but they will do their best to silence him. The alternative would be a far more difficult challenge.

The SAS have the advantage of being “racist” proof and are a well-organised charity.

SikhAwarenessSociety

Stop trying to muddy the waters. It's not an issue of race; Stephen Yaxley-Lennon was not jailed because he's white; he was not jailed because he's not a Muslim; he wasn't jailed because he wanted child rapists prosecuted. He was jailed because he violated due process, committed contempt of court and imperilled the trial of men accused of molesting kids in direct violation of a judge's instructions to not do so again - all while on a suspended sentence.

There are several obvious differences between Yaxley-Lennon's ignorant approach and what the SAS have done and it takes only a minute to appreciate what they are.
  1. Yaxley-Lennon made a live recording of defendants in an ongoing court case. The comments on said video could have caused a mistrial if they had come to the attention of the jury;
  2. The SAS, on the other hand, did not. They gave general advice aimed at children and parents to help them identify indicators of grooming behaviour;
  3. Tommunists have not engaged in such constructive ways to help catch child molesters - they have instead just shown up at trials and generally made fools of themselves - labelling people who disagree with them for valid reasons child rape apologists. At Stephen's latest hearing his cultists threw faeces at the courthouse door. Literal human waste. Like a bunch of chimps.
  4. They've also engaged in exactly the same sort of silence & ignoring instances of child abuse they condemn others for. That high-ranking member of the EDL who was jailed for serially molesting a girl has yet to be condemned by any of his compatriots. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if some knew about it and were covering up for him.


Even this devout Muslim does not believe that Tommy Robinson has broken any secular laws.

Ezra Levant interviews Jihadi in London

That devout Muslim went to Stephen's trial to challenge him to a fight. He won't get a fight if Stephen is jailed, will he?
 
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Notanumber

A Free Man
Stop trying to muddy the waters. It's not an issue of race; Stephen Yaxley-Lennon was not jailed because he's white; he was not jailed because he's not a Muslim; he wasn't jailed because he wanted child rapists prosecuted. He was jailed because he violated due process, committed contempt of court and imperilled the trial of men accused of molesting kids in direct violation of a judge's instructions to not do so again - all while on a suspended sentence.

There are several obvious differences between Yaxley-Lennon's ignorant approach and what the SAS have done and it takes only a minute to appreciate what they are.
  1. Yaxley-Lennon made a live recording of defendants in an ongoing court case. The comments on said video could have caused a mistrial if they had come to the attention of the jury;
  2. The SAS, on the other hand, did not. They gave general advice aimed at children and parents to help them identify indicators of grooming behaviour;
  3. Tommunists have not engaged in such constructive ways to help catch child molesters - they have instead just shown up at trials and generally made fools of themselves - labelling people who disagree with them for valid reasons child rape apologists. At Stephen's latest hearing his cultists threw faeces at the courthouse door. Literal human waste. Like a bunch of chimps.
  4. They've also engaged in exactly the same sort of silence & ignoring instances of child abuse they condemn others for. That high-ranking member of the EDL who was jailed for serially molesting a girl has yet to be condemned by any of his compatriots. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if some knew about it and were covering up for him.

He is called a racist and far right at every opportunity.

I would have liked to have seen that judge attempt to jail this man for doing more than Tommy Robinson did, but that would not have been Politically Correct.


As he said, if you are silent in crimes like this, you are aiding and abetting criminals.

Tommy Robinson has principles and is prepared to serve time for them. He is a braver man than I am and he has my respect.

It seems that Judge Marson didn’t base his decision to imprison Robinson exclusively on the evidence presented.

Additionally, Robinson and his film crew were reporting outside the courthouse where the Muslim grooming trial was almost over, and, according to Robertson, they were careful to only report on facts of the case which were already public given that Robinson was previously accused of committing contempt last year.

UK Judge Admits Tommy Robinson Sentenced Without Due Process

Tommy has no control over who wishes to support him.

I had not heard about people throwing faeces at the courthouse door, but I heard about Muslims trying to do the same to Tommy while he was in prison. There could be a connection.


That devout Muslim went to Stephen's trial to challenge him to a fight. He won't get a fight if Stephen is jailed, will he?

Good point. Are you saying he was just practicing Taqiyya?

Taqiyya: Deception and Lying in Islam

Is that why he refused to shake hands with anyone that offered.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
He is called a racist and far right at every opportunity.

I would have liked to have seen that judge attempt to jail this man for doing more than Tommy Robinson did, but that would not have been Politically Correct.


As he said, if you are silent in crimes like this, you are aiding and abetting criminals.

Tommy Robinson has principles and is prepared to serve time for them. He is a braver man than I am and he has my respect.

It seems that Judge Marson didn’t base his decision to imprison Robinson exclusively on the evidence presented.

Additionally, Robinson and his film crew were reporting outside the courthouse where the Muslim grooming trial was almost over, and, according to Robertson, they were careful to only report on facts of the case which were already public given that Robinson was previously accused of committing contempt last year.

UK Judge Admits Tommy Robinson Sentenced Without Due Process

Tommy has no control over who wishes to support him.

I had not heard about people throwing faeces at the courthouse door, but I heard about Muslims trying to do the same to Tommy while he was in prison. There could be a connection.




Good point. Are you saying he was just practicing Taqiyya?

Taqiyya: Deception and Lying in Islam

Is that why he refused to shake hands with anyone that offered.
Do you not read any of the other posts. It has been explained to you on numerous occasions why he was jailed (and why he may be jailed again),

Why can't you understand?
 

The Emperor of Mankind

Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
Do you not read any of the other posts. It has been explained to you on numerous occasions why he was jailed (and why he may be jailed again),

Why can't you understand?

He only reads other posts enough to retort; but rarely to actually address what is put to him. It's frustrating but I suppose I've only got myself to blame for choosing to respond. I just feel like I can't let this bollocks go unchallenged.
 

The Emperor of Mankind

Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
He is called a racist and far right at every opportunity.

With good reason. His intent and that of his supporters to stop child abusers seems to be based on the colour of the abusers skin or on their religious beliefs (perceived or not). He's also a prominent influence in the growth of ethnic, xenophobic English nationalism.

I've not seen much to persuade me otherwise. The conduct of his supporters does not help matters either. His allies include groups like the For Britain party, UKIP and 'Generation Identity'. When Stephen was back in court a few days ago his supporters decided they needed to protest freedom of speech so much they started denying the same right to counter demonstrators. People who were protesting against Yaxley-Lennon had abuse and threats hurled at them and one woman even had a sign ripped from her hands and destroyed by Stephen's supporters. What did the sign have on it? A list of Stephen's previous convictions.

Thus it has ever been with the far-right. 'Freedom of speech but only our definition and only for us'.


I would have liked to have seen that judge attempt to jail this man for doing more than Tommy Robinson did, but that would not have been Politically Correct.


For what feels like the thousandth time: Stephen violated a court order - as in instructions from a judge - to refrain from filming near courthouses on ongoing trials. He violated this order while on a suspended sentence for contempt of court for doing the exact same thing a year before. That's why he was imprisoned:- his suspended prison sentence became active.

Is this man on a suspended sentence? No.


Tommy Robinson has principles and is prepared to serve time for them.

Evidently none of these principles are respect for English Common Law nor an understanding of said legal system. It's a bit of a blind-spot for so ardent a patriot to not understand his country's own legal system.


It seems that Judge Marson didn’t base his decision to imprison Robinson exclusively on the evidence presented.

Additionally, Robinson and his film crew were reporting outside the courthouse where the Muslim grooming trial was almost over, and, according to Robertson, they were careful to only report on facts of the case which were already public given that Robinson was previously accused of committing contempt last year.

Yet he was told by a judge during said conviction the previous year "do not 'report' on courthouse proceedings at all". Stephen disobeyed this instruction while on a suspended sentence.



What's interesting is the judges can admit when they made a mistake. Unlike Yaxley-Lennon. I'm looking forward to see if he's found guilty this time. If he is he'll put back in for longer. Then his followers can whine about how the legal system they don't understand is unfair and racially discriminates against white people. And his manager can wax lyrical about how he's been transferred to a non-existent Muslim-majority prison.

Speaking of which, major news outlets including the Mirror covered the Huddersfield 29 trial's preliminary stages. None among their number have had charges pressed against them even though those working on behalf of said news agencies are almost certainly white. That should tell you something that maybe race isn't a factor in the fact Yaxley-Lennon is being treated like a criminal for breaking the law.


Tommy has no control over who wishes to support him.

That's a cop-out because while he cannot stop people from supporting him, he does have a level of influence over those who choose to support him. He could tell them to calm their **** down and rein it in to the point they're not literally throwing **** around.


I had not heard about people throwing faeces at the courthouse door, but I heard about Muslims trying to do the same to Tommy while he was in prison. There could be a connection.

The connection being he tends to attract the dregs from the shallow end of the gene pool on both sides of the divide.


Good point. Are you saying he was just practicing Taqiyya?

Taqiyya: Deception and Lying in Islam

Is that why he refused to shake hands with anyone that offered.

Last time I checked, taqiyya was the precautionary denial of belief in the face of religious persecution. Given this guy's pretty out about being a Muslim, I'd say he's not practising taqiyya. I love how when I point out a Muslim's got something wrong or might have an ulterior motive you instantly jump to the conclusion that they're lying for religious reasons. I distrust Islam as much as the next man but even I think you've overextended yourself with that one. Maybe he's being disingenuous because he wants a piece of Stephen?


She said a lot of these schools were more "faith-based", and didn't reflect modern British values within their cirriculum.

...interesting.

I'm guessing the problem is they weren't the right kind of faith-based schools because clearly the Government has no problem with schools run by the Church of England.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
People who were protesting against Yaxley-Lennon had abuse and threats hurled at them and one woman even had a sign ripped from her hands and destroyed by Stephen's supporters. What did the sign have on it? A list of Stephen's previous convictions.

Thus it has ever been with the far-right. 'Freedom of speech but only our definition and only for us'.
You beat me to it with this.

Stephen Yaxley-Lennon has no interest in Free Speech unless it furthers his agenda.
 
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