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British Values

Anthem

Anthem

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Shad said:
No. Some nations within the EU decided to act in the face of the Syrian refugee crisis then strong-arm other nations into doing the same. Hence why Hungry is being attacked via Article 2 not any agreement. Read Article 2.
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Like I told you before and I tell you again Hungary - like any EU country - is responsible for supporting the core values of the EU. This new ugly phenomenon does not do that. It failes. So ...it fails to follow the agreement. It's out there as a linky linky link to EU parliament sources and so on. So stop twisting the simple fact: they are breaking the agreemnets.
 
Shad

Shad

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The Emperor of Mankind said:
EU member states voted on whether or not more should be done to support states like Greece & Italy who are disproportionately affected by the refugee crisis. It was close but the majority voted that the wider EU should provide support and the vote was legally binding. Hungary is deciding to not respect the result of that vote; they've not taken any refugees in and they don't plan to. That's why they risk losing voting rights; if you don't respect the process you don't get to take part.
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EU isn't respecting sovereignty of national borders and immigration policy and violating the Dublin Regulations
 
Shad

Shad

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Anthem said:
Like I told you before and I tell you again Hungary - like any EU country - is responsible for supporting the core values of the EU.
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Those values are subjective and nothing stated in Article 2 state taking in refugees is a values violation.


This new ugly phenomenon does not do that. It failes. So ...it fails to follow the agreement. It's out there as a linky linky link to EU parliament sources and so on. So stop twisting the simple fact: they are breaking the agreemnets.
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You cited no rule nor agreement. You cited no violation of any agreement. More so you ignore EU violations of the Dublin Regulations.
 
Anthem

Anthem

Active Member
Shad said:
Those values are subjective
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If you're one of those people who believe philosophically that everything is subjective, then yes they are - however, they are determined by the Eu together and their moral codes so far have been rather satisfying.

You cited no rule nor agreement. You cited no violation of any agreement. More so you ignore EU violations of the Dublin Regulations.
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i can cite. Just give me time.
 
Shad

Shad

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Kirran said:
It's a nice Article.

I still don't see the problem - a minority of countries are going against the grain and being penalised for it.
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Did you read Article 2? Notice nothing about refugees nor immigrants are contained within. Hence subjective values are being imposed upon other people then they are called out for violating those imposed values.

Going against the grain is not a treaty violation. It is a fallacious ad populum argument. They are being penalized for practicing sovereignty.

This is the problem with the EU. It's leaders act like it a nation unto itself when it isn't. Hence why the EU dictates are authoritarian and undemocratic. No one elected any of those officials to the EU parliament yet it is telling elected officials what to do in their own nations.
 
Shad

Shad

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Anthem said:
If you're one of those people who believe philosophically that everything is subjective, then yes they are - however, they are determined by the Eu together and their moral codes so far have been rather satisfying.
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No I am stating the "values" article does not any criteria to use a basis for judgement of value violations. How those values are being used is subjectively.

EU nations trade with Russia and China. Spare me on how their moral code and values are working when it is only applicable to select groups while ignored for other groups. Governments being moral is hilarious nonsense.
 
Anthem

Anthem

Active Member
Shad said:
No I am stating the "values" article does not any criteria to use a basis for judgement of value violations. How those values are being used is subjectively.

EU nations trade with Russia and China. Spare me on how their moral code and values are working when it is only applicable to select groups while ignored for other groups. Governments being moral is hilarious nonsense.
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Your post is nonsense.
 
Anthem

Anthem

Active Member
Shad said:
Those values are subjective and nothing stated in Article 2 state taking in refugees is a values violation.




You cited no rule nor agreement. You cited no violation of any agreement. More so you ignore EU violations of the Dublin Regulations.
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Ugh. Can you give me a link - any link to this famous "article two"?
 
Shad

Shad

Veteran Member
Anthem said:
Your post is nonsense.
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Nope. I was addressing specific points within the an EU charter Article while pointing out how selective EU values are when a nation happens to not be European. I used Russia and China as example of far worse states and how they treat their populations and foreign populations yet EU is still trading with both. Values for thee but not for me.
 
Shad

Shad

Veteran Member
Anthem said:
Ugh. Can you give me a link - any link to this famous "article two"?
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Lisbon Treaty Article 2.

Article 2

The conflict between CR, Hungry and Poland against the greater EU is that the redistribution quota violated the Dublin Regulations and violates sovereignty by imposing acceptance of immigrants by EU edict. More so part of the quotas all 3 claim includes economic migrants such as those Italy flipped over as an issue during it's elections.
 
Anthem

Anthem

Active Member
Shad said:
Lisbon Treaty Article 2.

Article 2

The conflict between CR, Hungry and Poland against the greater EU is that the redistribution quota violated the Dublin Regulations and violates sovereignty by imposing acceptance of immigrants by EU edict. More so part of the quotas all 3 claim includes economic migrants such as those Italy flipped over as an issue during it's elections.
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This one?o_O

The Union is founded on the values of respect for human dignity, freedom, democracy, equality, the rule of law and respect for human rights, including the rights of persons belonging to minorities. These values are common to the Member States in a society in which pluralism, non-discrimination, tolerance, justice, solidarity and equality between women and men prevail.
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