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British Values

Anthem

Active Member
If we have better options, why are they not being employed?

Tommy Robinson should never have been sent to a Muslim dominated prison. The prison service has a duty of care to protect their inmates. This is not happening. How many inmates are being forced to convert to Islam for their own safety?

There is nothing Nazi about UKIP, but a society that allows children to be sexually abused and raped on our streets and nothing is done because it might offend a religion is heading in that direction.

Sex abuse gangs view white girls as 'worthless' and 'trash'

The Labour MP for Rotherham - where at least 1,400 children were sexually over 16 years - said there was a need to acknowledge that most perpetrators in grooming scandals "have been British-Pakistani".

Sarah Champion said people were "more afraid to be called a racist than they are afraid to be wrong about calling out child abuse".

She added: "We've got now hundreds of men, Pakistani men, who have been convicted of this crime - why are we not commissioning research to see what's going on and how we need to change what's going on so it never happens again?"

If you were convicted of a crime, would you want to be sent to a prison that is dominated by these perpetrators?

If only our current leaders talked as much sense as this man.

So much stupidity I don't know what to say.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
If we have better options, why are they not being employed?

Tommy Robinson should never have been sent to a Muslim dominated prison. The prison service has a duty of care to protect their inmates. This is not happening. How many inmates are being forced to convert to Islam for their own safety?

There is nothing Nazi about UKIP, but a society that allows children to be sexually abused and raped on our streets and nothing is done because it might offend a religion is heading in that direction.

Sex abuse gangs view white girls as 'worthless' and 'trash'

The Labour MP for Rotherham - where at least 1,400 children were sexually over 16 years - said there was a need to acknowledge that most perpetrators in grooming scandals "have been British-Pakistani".

Sarah Champion said people were "more afraid to be called a racist than they are afraid to be wrong about calling out child abuse".

She added: "We've got now hundreds of men, Pakistani men, who have been convicted of this crime - why are we not commissioning research to see what's going on and how we need to change what's going on so it never happens again?"

If you were convicted of a crime, would you want to be sent to a prison that is dominated by these perpetrators?

If only our current leaders talked as much sense as this man.

So, should we have separate prisons for Catholic Priest and other religious leaders who abused children. There are many more cases of Priests abusing children than Muslim grooming gangs.
Why are you not outraged by them?

It is hard enough getting a prison built anywhere, so increasing the number is not a good idea.
 

The Emperor of Mankind

Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
So, should we have separate prisons for Catholic Priest and other religious leaders who abused children. There are many more cases of Priests abusing children than Muslim grooming gangs.
Why are you not outraged by them?

It must not be as bad when white and/or Christian men abuse English kids even though they've done it for longer and far more often.
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
So, should we have separate prisons for Catholic Priest and other religious leaders who abused children. There are many more cases of Priests abusing children than Muslim grooming gangs.
Why are you not outraged by them?

It is hard enough getting a prison built anywhere, so increasing the number is not a good idea.

Are Catholic Priests forcing non-Catholics to become Catholics in our prison system?
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
Are Catholic Priests forcing non-Catholics to become Catholics in our prison system?
Oh, so Stephen Yaxley Lennon (aka Tommy Robinson) is now a Muslim, having been forced to convert.

Again though, you are avoiding my point, why are you not outraged about the abuse of children by white men in frocks?
 

The Emperor of Mankind

Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
If we have better options, why are they not being employed?

Having better options and employing said options are two totally different things. You forget that we're being ruled over by a bunch of right-wing elitists who are playing on xenophobia and stoking anti-foreigner, anti-disabled and anti-poor sentiments who actively don't want these better options to be used because people will then realise it's not immigrants, the poor and the unemployed who are destroying our society.


Tommy Robinson should never have been sent to a Muslim dominated prison.

Except he wasn't. That's a lie that was put out by his manager Caolan Robertson while he was talking to Alex Jones. You know, the guy who operates the far-right conspiracy theory page called InfoWars. The Mirror breaks down the religious demographics for the prisons Yaxley-Lennon was most likely in - none of them are Muslim-majority.


The prison service has a duty of care to protect their inmates. This is not happening.

How on earth would you know? If this truly is a widespread problem why aren't more prisoners speaking out about it? Should we take the word of Yaxley-Lennon who is in remarkably good shape for a man who was fed only one tin of tuna a day; who was kept in solitary 23.5 hours out of 24 but somehow had **** flung through the bars by Muslim inmates who had access to him at all times of the day?


How many inmates are being forced to convert to Islam for their own safety?

Not sure but I'm sure you'll make some number up and run with it as if it's established fact.


There is nothing Nazi about UKIP, but a society that allows children to be sexually abused and raped on our streets and nothing is done because it might offend a religion is heading in that direction.

Nah; they're just a right, leaning to the far-right, party who is attempting to scapegoat an entire religious group for many of the ills in our society while deliberately ignoring other sources of the same problems - many of whom are worse. They're also using apparent moral concerns as dog-whistle politics e.g. the Rotherham child abuse scandal.

The likes of UKIP and the EDL have positioned themselves as moral crusaders who are concerned with exposing child abuse and protecting kids. But
  • What did UKIP or the EDL have to say when the Catholic child abuse scandal came to light?
  • What did UKIP or the EDL have to say when it became apparent that Church of England bishops were covering up historical child abuse just like their Catholic counterparts?
  • What did the EDL have to say when one of its senior members was found to have abused a schoolgirl for years?
Nothing


Sex abuse gangs view white girls as 'worthless' and 'trash'

The Labour MP for Rotherham - where at least 1,400 children were sexually over 16 years - said there was a need to acknowledge that most perpetrators in grooming scandals "have been British-Pakistani".

Sarah Champion said people were "more afraid to be called a racist than they are afraid to be wrong about calling out child abuse".

She added: "We've got now hundreds of men, Pakistani men, who have been convicted of this crime - why are we not commissioning research to see what's going on and how we need to change what's going on so it never happens again?"

The fact remains that now the justice system is starting to pick these cases up and prosecute those responsible. No thanks to the likes of Yaxley-Lennon who endangered the trial of a pair of alleged child-abusers with his 'reporting' and risked them getting off on a mistrial.


If you were convicted of a crime, would you want to be sent to a prison that is dominated by these perpetrators?

Given that I'm over 18 and given that there is no prison with a Muslim-majority population, I don't think that'd ever happen.


If only our current leaders talked as much sense as this man.


They already do which is why Westminster's politics is in the atrocious state it is.

Why does Farage not feel easy with the direction this guy is taking UKIP in?
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
Oh, so Stephen Yaxley Lennon (aka Tommy Robinson) is now a Muslim, having been forced to convert.

Again though, you are avoiding my point, why are you not outraged about the abuse of children by white men in frocks?

Don't ask for facts, the alt-right doesn't have any. Just scaremongering.

Are Muslims forcing non-Muslims to become Muslims in our prison system?

Lesser men than Tommy Robinson would have been mentally and physically broken by the way he was treated by our prison system. The way he was treated is no doubt acceptable in Islamic societies but it should not be acceptable to any right minded person.

Is being kept in solitary confinement an acceptable means of avoiding being forcibly converted to Islam when serving a prison sentence?

This has been going on for a long time. I am surprised that you had not heard about it. I agree with UKIP, it is time it stopped.

Britain’s jails facing ‘growing problem’ of forced conversion to

I am outraged about the abuse of children by white men in frocks. The Catholic church knew what was going on and did nothing to stop it just like the Islamic communities that acted in the same way, but did the police know what was going on. If they had known they would have done something to stop it.

The police and social services knew what was happening to those white girls but did nothing to stop it because they were afraid of being called names.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
Lesser men than Tommy Robinson would have been mentally and physically broken by the way he was treated by our prison system. The way he was treated is no doubt acceptable in Islamic societies but it should not be acceptable to any right minded person.

Is being kept in solitary confinement an acceptable means of avoiding being forcibly converted to Islam when serving a prison sentence?

This has been going on for a long time. I am surprised that you had not heard about it. I agree with UKIP, it is time it stopped.

Britain’s jails facing ‘growing problem’ of forced conversion to

I am outraged about the abuse of children by white men in frocks. The Catholic church knew what was going on and did nothing to stop it just like the Islamic communities that acted in the same way, but did the police know what was going on. If they had known they would have done something to stop it.

The police and social services knew what was happening to those white girls but did nothing to stop it because they were afraid of being called names.
So why did Stephen Yaxley Lennon try to ruin the prosecutions case against these evil child abusers?
 

Shad

Veteran Member
It just seems very fair to me that if the EU as a group decides OK we're gonna work together and do this, and some countries say nah we aren't gonna help, then the EU takes away privileges.

No. Some nations within the EU decided to act in the face of the Syrian refugee crisis then strong-arm other nations into doing the same. Hence why Hungry is being attacked via Article 2 not any agreement. Read Article 2.
 

Kirran

Premium Member
No. Some nations within the EU decided to act in the face of the Syrian refugee crisis then strong-arm other nations into doing the same. Hence why Hungry is being attacked via Article 2 not any agreement. Read Article 2.

It's a nice Article.

I still don't see the problem - a minority of countries are going against the grain and being penalised for it.
 
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