British Values

[Terrywoodenpic]

Can you recommend a UK political party with a better manifesto?

A speech containing ony generalities and platitudes is not a manifesto.
They have clearly been taking instruction from Bannon on how to keep just on the right side of the law in their public statements.

Much in the same way some extreme religious groups do not mention their contentious beliefs till after you have comitted to them. It is a very ancient tactic indeed.

 

[ChristineM]

Can you recommend a UK political party with a better manifesto?

Just about any that does NOT incite racism and hatred

Consider British values. Or do you only consider the ones you like. I know i have asked you this several times which you have obfuscated or simply ignored.

 

[Notanumber]

A speech containing ony generalities and platitudes is not a manifesto.

Just about any that does NOT incite racism and hatred

Show us the manifesto of your favourite UK political party and we can compare it to that of ‘For Britain’.

You can download their manifesto from this link - Policy

 

[ChristineM]

Show us the manifesto of your favourite UK political party and we can compare it to that of ‘For Britain’.

You can download their manifesto from this link - Policy

Yes, you have already shown the link to FB and i have commented on it, repeated postings will be reported as spam

Who says i have a favourite uk political party? None are much good, but FB is comparable to the, and indeed boast its membership contains ex, BNP, notably jack buckby.

But if you want one to compare with try
A Green Party manifesto for the UK’s relationships with others
Note the humanity

 

[Notanumber]

Yes, you have already shown the link to FB and i have commented on it, repeated postings will be reported as spam

Who says i have a favourite uk political party? None are much good, but FB is comparable to the, and indeed boast its membership contains ex, BNP, notably jack buckby.

But if you want one to compare with try
A Green Party manifesto for the UK’s relationships with others
Note the humanity

If the Greens achieved power that would be the end of the UK as we know it.

They want to increase foreign aid while inviting the rest of the world into our small island.

They talk about their promise to young people, but will that promise include conscription into an EU army?

How can we have a place to call home if our home has been taken over by all those that they will welcome into our country?

 

[ChristineM]

If the Greens achieved power that would be the end of the UK as we know it.

They want to increase foreign aid while inviting the rest of the world into our small island.

They talk about their promise to young people, but will that promise include conscription into an EU army?

How can we have a place to call home if our home has been taken over by all those that they will welcome into our country?

You provide not one thing that is anywhere near the anarchy and murder in the streets and schools that fb are proposing

Prove green power would end the uk put your clairvoyance hat in the cupboard

Humanity is good for Britain, we gave gave already discussed the way the nhs and public services are collapsing because foreign workers are no longer moving to britain. As i recall you bottled out of the discussion.

More clairvoyance? What EU army? Jeez you are grasping. Should they attain power brexit will be history, as far as the uk will be concerned you are on your own.

Do you have a home now? And are foreigners doing all the dirty work for you... Or is it english gentlemen? Now be honest.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

If the Greens achieved power that would be the end of the UK as we know it.
How and in what way
They want to increase foreign aid while inviting the rest of the world into our small island.
The reason people want to emigrate is because theyir countries are destitute or at war
If we help them to improve their people will want to stay.

They talk about their promise to young people, but will that promise include conscription into an EU army?
Of course not, conscription is on no ones agenda. the greens tend to pacifism

How can we have a place to call home if our home has been taken over by all those that they will welcome into our country?
The population of our country includes some 14% of foreign born. Those from the EU make up the majority of that population are not citizens, and a high proportion are migrant workers who do not, and will not wish stay here permanently. but as EU citizens they have that right should they wish to do so. There is a near equal number of British born living and working in other countries.
This inward trend from the rest of the EU has decreased over the last few years, as their economies have improved since joining the EU, and ours has fallen back.

 

[Altfish]

If the Greens achieved power that would be the end of the UK as we know it.
How and in what way
They want to increase foreign aid while inviting the rest of the world into our small island.
The reason people want to emigrate is because theyir countries are destitute or at war
If we help them to improve their people will want to stay.

They talk about their promise to young people, but will that promise include conscription into an EU army?
Of course not, conscription is on no ones agenda. the greens tend to pacifism

How can we have a place to call home if our home has been taken over by all those that they will welcome into our country?
The population of our country includes some 14% of foreign born. Those from the EU make up the majority of that population are not citizens, and a high proportion are migrant workers who do not, and will not wish stay here permanently. but as EU citizens they have that right should they wish to do so. There is a near equal number of British born living and working in other countries.
This inward trend from the rest of the EU has decreased over the last few years, as their economies have improved since joining the EU, and ours has fallen back.

Stop giving him facts!
He only listens to Project Fear, Fake News and Propaganda of the far right.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

There is nothing wrong with being populist and when did it become wrong to be right?

There's nothing wrong with being populist until you start saying outrageous and untrue things - playing on peoples' ignorance - in order to gain support. Which is all populism is. It's always been wrong to be far-right. Cutting out the first part of the compound word to change its meaning makes you seem dishonest.

It is not possible to be more far-right than Islam.

Clearly the far-right is more far-right than Islam. Come on, it's in their ****ing name.

If you are against the far-right, you should be against Islam if you are being honest.

And what in my post history in the last year leads you to believe I'm not against Islam? The difference between us is I'm against Islam and I understand the concept of nuance. I appreciate that Muslims are religious to different degrees and in different ways. You also see Islam as this boogeyman and you post about it to an extent that makes you look marginally obsessed. Seriously, you try to shoe-horn it into conversations where it's not even relevant.

They are not campaigning for the right to attack and persecute minorities.

They're campaigning for the repeal of legislation like hate speech laws that prevents the normalisation of persecuting minorities. They also don't want children being exposed to alternate gender theories - presumably because they buy into the absurd notion that children can be taught or indoctrinated into being transgender.

They are campaigning for the right to defend minorities from an ideology that wishes to attack and persecute minorities.

Oh yeah, minorities like transgenders who I guess can **** a duck since For Britain don't want children to be taught gender theories that might upset their conservative worldview.

They want children to be taught the truth. Nothing more, nothing less.

No. They said they want the children to be taught a positive view of British history; i.e. one that glosses over the negative stuff. Will their positive coverage of leaders and 'truth' mention that Churchill kept Britain in the Second World War by diverting so much food out of British-controlled Bengal that between 2.1 -3 million people died? Will they mention that Churchill was strongly racist against Indians and their culture which the British Empire effectively destroyed? Will For Britain's truthful-yet-positive-history cover how the British Empire got Chinese people addicted to opium in order to make money?

I doubt it.

Tommy Robinson, Katie Hopkins and Robert Spencer are not afraid to tell the truth, which takes some guts in this PC world.

If Stephen Yaxley-Lennon were so honest he'd use his real name.
Katie Hopkins was fired from the Daily Mail for being too dishonest.
I'm not entirely sure who Robert Spencer is but the fact you like him puts me on my guard automatically.

This Eddy Butler that you mention (who I had never heard of) may have attended a meeting along with ANTIFA probably to disrupt the proceedings. For Britain cannot be responsible for gatecrashers.

If you've never heard of him then your opinion on who he is affiliated with isn't worth much of anything. Go clue yourself up and stop obsessing over ANTIFA.

I cannot find any mention of him on their Website - For Britain Movement

Has to be one of the weakest cop outs I've ever seen you employ. The minutes for none of For Britain's meetings are available on the public area of their website. Does this mean For Britain do not hold meetings?

Here's a link with photographic evidence of Eddy Butler at a Britain First gathering. He's hardly likely to be willing or permitted to pose for a group photo with the party leader if he's ANTIFA

If the Greens achieved power that would be the end of the UK as we know it.

Another inane far-right soundbite.

"If [INSERT PARTY I DON'T LIKE HERE] achieves power that would be the end of the UK as we know it."

Roll on the dissolution of the UK, I say. I'm happy for England to relegate itself to an isolationist rump state if that's what her people really want so long as they don't drag Scotland or any of the other Celtic nations down with them. I kind of pity the Welsh but they voted to Leave as well so they brought this upon themselves.

They want to increase foreign aid while inviting the rest of the world into our small island.

Do you even know the proportion of the UK's budget that is spent on foreign aid? 0.7% Not even a full percentage point; a fraction of one.

They talk about their promise to young people, but will that promise include conscription into an EU army?

A future with a pan-European army is rendered much more probable if we leave the EU. Seriously; what part of this do you still not understand? We're removing ourselves as a voice against this which makes it more likely to occur!

I do not agree with it. I disagree with the federalist movement in Europe.

How can we have a place to call home if our home has been taken over by all those that they will welcome into our country?

How can these people have a place to call home if their home has been bombed to ruins at the behest of our political leaders?

If we don't want refugees turning up at our door then maybe we should stop starting the wars that create them. You're also forgetting that other European states have taken in several orders of magnitude more refugees than we have.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

 

[Notanumber]

There's nothing wrong with being populist until you start saying outrageous and untrue things - playing on peoples' ignorance - in order to gain support. Which is all populism is. It's always been wrong to be far-right. Cutting out the first part of the compound word to change its meaning makes you seem dishonest.




Clearly the far-right is more far-right than Islam. Come on, it's in their ****ing name.




And what in my post history in the last year leads you to believe I'm not against Islam? The difference between us is I'm against Islam and I understand the concept of nuance. I appreciate that Muslims are religious to different degrees and in different ways. You also see Islam as this boogeyman and you post about it to an extent that makes you look marginally obsessed. Seriously, you try to shoe-horn it into conversations where it's not even relevant.




They're campaigning for the repeal of legislation like hate speech laws that prevents the normalisation of persecuting minorities. They also don't want children being exposed to alternate gender theories - presumably because they buy into the absurd notion that children can be taught or indoctrinated into being transgender.




Oh yeah, minorities like transgenders who I guess can **** a duck since For Britain don't want children to be taught gender theories that might upset their conservative worldview.




No. They said they want the children to be taught a positive view of British history; i.e. one that glosses over the negative stuff. Will their positive coverage of leaders and 'truth' mention that Churchill kept Britain in the Second World War by diverting so much food out of British-controlled Bengal that between 2.1 -3 million people died? Will they mention that Churchill was strongly racist against Indians and their culture which the British Empire effectively destroyed? Will For Britain's truthful-yet-positive-history cover how the British Empire got Chinese people addicted to opium in order to make money?

I doubt it.




If Stephen Yaxley-Lennon were so honest he'd use his real name.
Katie Hopkins was fired from the Daily Mail for being too dishonest.
I'm not entirely sure who Robert Spencer is but the fact you like him puts me on my guard automatically.




If you've never heard of him then your opinion on who he is affiliated with isn't worth much of anything. Go clue yourself up and stop obsessing over ANTIFA.




Has to be one of the weakest cop outs I've ever seen you employ. The minutes for none of For Britain's meetings are available on the public area of their website. Does this mean For Britain do not hold meetings?

Here's a link with photographic evidence of Eddy Butler at a Britain First gathering. He's hardly likely to be willing or permitted to pose for a group photo with the party leader if he's ANTIFA




Another inane far-right soundbite.

"If [INSERT PARTY I DON'T LIKE HERE] achieves power that would be the end of the UK as we know it."

Roll on the dissolution of the UK, I say. I'm happy for England to relegate itself to an isolationist rump state if that's what her people really want so long as they don't drag Scotland or any of the other Celtic nations down with them. I kind of pity the Welsh but they voted to Leave as well so they brought this upon themselves.

Taken from the For Britain manifesto

UK Constitution
For Britain seeks a new UK constitution to solidify and clarify the rights and responsibilities of all
British citizens.
The UK Constitution will be accompanied by a Constitutional court, which will interpret and
apply the Constitution.
The UK Constitution will honour previous constitutional documents of Britain and will reflect the
freedoms laid down in prior charters including the Magna Carta and Bill of Rights – the Magna
Carta will be honoured in writing within the Constitution pre-amble.
The UK Constitution will guarantee the following rights and freedoms to all UK citizens. No
Parliament shall legislate on any matter if this legislation has the effect, desired or otherwise, of
removing or altering the following rights, whether in theory or in practice.
- The right to participate in the democratic process – either as candidate or voter –
the only legal restriction placed upon speech shall be direct incitement to violence
i.e. the words used clearly and objectively call for violence
- The right to express any opinion on any matter without legal sanction
- The right to express and state matters of objective truth
- Freedom to associate with any non-violent group or philosophy without fear of
legal sanction from the state (or loss of livelihood except if separate and objective
evidence demonstrates that said association has directly impacted a person’s
ability to perform his/her duties as specified in their employment contract);
- The right to a fair trial and due process
- The right to enter and leave the territory of the United Kingdom in accordance
with law
- The right to privacy
- The right to work, invest, own and sell property in accordance with laws;
- The right to pursue legal redress
- The right to petition the government
9
- The right to conduct one’s life in accordance with one’s own beliefs and morals
provided this does not interfere with another’s right and ability to do the same
The UK Constitution places the unalienable duty on all people to obey the laws and regulations
set down by an elected Parliament.
The UK Constitution confirms that all citizens of the UK are equal in the eyes of the law and all
are entitled to the above rights.
The rights laid down above will apply to non-British citizens who reside in the UK unless they
are convicted of a violent crime, or preach hatred of Britain, its people or its culture, or preach
sedition. Such persons may have these rights revoked and be deported from the United
Kingdom.

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Do not try to tell me that this is more far-right than Sharia law.

 

[ChristineM]

Taken from the For Britain manifesto

UK Constitution
For Britain seeks a new UK constitution to solidify and clarify the rights and responsibilities of all
British citizens.
The UK Constitution will be accompanied by a Constitutional court, which will interpret and
apply the Constitution.
The UK Constitution will honour previous constitutional documents of Britain and will reflect the
freedoms laid down in prior charters including the Magna Carta and Bill of Rights – the Magna
Carta will be honoured in writing within the Constitution pre-amble.
The UK Constitution will guarantee the following rights and freedoms to all UK citizens. No
Parliament shall legislate on any matter if this legislation has the effect, desired or otherwise, of
removing or altering the following rights, whether in theory or in practice.
- The right to participate in the democratic process – either as candidate or voter –
the only legal restriction placed upon speech shall be direct incitement to violence
i.e. the words used clearly and objectively call for violence
- The right to express any opinion on any matter without legal sanction
- The right to express and state matters of objective truth
- Freedom to associate with any non-violent group or philosophy without fear of
legal sanction from the state (or loss of livelihood except if separate and objective
evidence demonstrates that said association has directly impacted a person’s
ability to perform his/her duties as specified in their employment contract);
- The right to a fair trial and due process
- The right to enter and leave the territory of the United Kingdom in accordance
with law
- The right to privacy
- The right to work, invest, own and sell property in accordance with laws;
- The right to pursue legal redress
- The right to petition the government
9
- The right to conduct one’s life in accordance with one’s own beliefs and morals
provided this does not interfere with another’s right and ability to do the same
The UK Constitution places the unalienable duty on all people to obey the laws and regulations
set down by an elected Parliament.
The UK Constitution confirms that all citizens of the UK are equal in the eyes of the law and all
are entitled to the above rights.
The rights laid down above will apply to non-British citizens who reside in the UK unless they
are convicted of a violent crime, or preach hatred of Britain, its people or its culture, or preach
sedition. Such persons may have these rights revoked and be deported from the United
Kingdom.

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Do not try to tell me that this is more far-right than Sharia law.

So the law of the land is not constitutional and so FB want to impose their own version? Sounds sharia to m

 

[Altfish]

Taken from the For Britain manifesto

UK Constitution
For Britain seeks a new UK constitution to solidify and clarify the rights and responsibilities of all
British citizens.
The UK Constitution will be accompanied by a Constitutional court, which will interpret and
apply the Constitution.
The UK Constitution will honour previous constitutional documents of Britain and will reflect the
freedoms laid down in prior charters including the Magna Carta and Bill of Rights – the Magna
Carta will be honoured in writing within the Constitution pre-amble.
The UK Constitution will guarantee the following rights and freedoms to all UK citizens. No
Parliament shall legislate on any matter if this legislation has the effect, desired or otherwise, of
removing or altering the following rights, whether in theory or in practice.
- The right to participate in the democratic process – either as candidate or voter –
the only legal restriction placed upon speech shall be direct incitement to violence
i.e. the words used clearly and objectively call for violence
- The right to express any opinion on any matter without legal sanction
- The right to express and state matters of objective truth
- Freedom to associate with any non-violent group or philosophy without fear of
legal sanction from the state (or loss of livelihood except if separate and objective
evidence demonstrates that said association has directly impacted a person’s
ability to perform his/her duties as specified in their employment contract);
- The right to a fair trial and due process
- The right to enter and leave the territory of the United Kingdom in accordance
with law
- The right to privacy
- The right to work, invest, own and sell property in accordance with laws;
- The right to pursue legal redress
- The right to petition the government
9
- The right to conduct one’s life in accordance with one’s own beliefs and morals
provided this does not interfere with another’s right and ability to do the same
The UK Constitution places the unalienable duty on all people to obey the laws and regulations
set down by an elected Parliament.
The UK Constitution confirms that all citizens of the UK are equal in the eyes of the law and all
are entitled to the above rights.
The rights laid down above will apply to non-British citizens who reside in the UK unless they
are convicted of a violent crime, or preach hatred of Britain, its people or its culture, or preach
sedition. Such persons may have these rights revoked and be deported from the United
Kingdom.

-----------------------------------

Do not try to tell me that this is more far-right than Sharia law.

UK Constitution
For Britain seeks a new UK constitution to solidify and clarify the rights and responsibilities of all British citizens.
As long as you don’t have black or brown skin
The UK Constitution will be accompanied by a Constitutional court, which will interpret and apply the Constitution.
To make sure that whites are not affected
The UK Constitution will honour previous constitutional documents of Britain and will reflect the freedoms laid down in prior charters including the Magna Carta and Bill of Rights – the Magna Carta will be honoured in writing within the Constitution pre-amble.
We are so forward thinking that we will rely on a document from the 13th Century
The UK Constitution will guarantee the following rights and freedoms to all UK citizens. No Parliament shall legislate on any matter if this legislation has the effect, desired or otherwise, of removing or altering the following rights, whether in theory or in practice.
The right to participate in the democratic process – either as candidate or voter the only legal restriction placed upon speech shall be direct incitement to violence, i.e. the words used clearly and objectively call for violence: -
- The right to express any opinion on any matter without legal sanction
So the ‘incite violence’ exception is removed
- The right to express and state matters of objective truth
That word ‘truth’ appears again – as I have said previously for ‘truth’ read ‘our propaganda’.
- Freedom to associate with any non-violent group or philosophy without fear of legal sanction from the state (or loss of livelihood except if separate and objective evidence demonstrates that said association has directly impacted a person’s ability to perform his/her duties as specified in their employment contract
Yes. You can do that now
- The right to a fair trial and due process
We have that now
- The right to enter and leave the territory of the United Kingdom in accordance with law
Well Brexit may ruin our citizens’ ability to do this.
- The right to privacy
We have that now
- The right to work, invest, own and sell property in accordance with laws;
We have that now
- The right to pursue legal redress
We have that now
- The right to petition the government
We have that now
- The right to conduct one’s life in accordance with one’s own beliefs and morals provided this does not interfere with another’s right and ability to do the same
You don’t get to define your own ‘morals’.
The UK Constitution places the unalienable duty on all people to obey the laws and regulations set down by an elected Parliament.
What a pity Stephen Yaxley-Lennon keeps falling foul of this.
The UK Constitution confirms that all citizens of the UK are equal in the eyes of the law and all are entitled to the above rights.
We have that now (in theory at least – although money can buy you additional rights)
The rights laid down above will apply to non-British citizens who reside in the UK unless they are convicted of a violent crime, or preach hatred of Britain, its people or its culture, or preach sedition. Such persons may have these rights revoked and be deported from the United Kingdom.
We have that now


It's hardly groundbreaking

 

[Notanumber]

UK Constitution
For Britain seeks a new UK constitution to solidify and clarify the rights and responsibilities of all British citizens.
As long as you don’t have black or brown skin
The UK Constitution will be accompanied by a Constitutional court, which will interpret and apply the Constitution.
To make sure that whites are not affected
The UK Constitution will honour previous constitutional documents of Britain and will reflect the freedoms laid down in prior charters including the Magna Carta and Bill of Rights – the Magna Carta will be honoured in writing within the Constitution pre-amble.
We are so forward thinking that we will rely on a document from the 13th Century
The UK Constitution will guarantee the following rights and freedoms to all UK citizens. No Parliament shall legislate on any matter if this legislation has the effect, desired or otherwise, of removing or altering the following rights, whether in theory or in practice.
The right to participate in the democratic process – either as candidate or voter the only legal restriction placed upon speech shall be direct incitement to violence, i.e. the words used clearly and objectively call for violence: -
- The right to express any opinion on any matter without legal sanction
So the ‘incite violence’ exception is removed
- The right to express and state matters of objective truth
That word ‘truth’ appears again – as I have said previously for ‘truth’ read ‘our propaganda’.
- Freedom to associate with any non-violent group or philosophy without fear of legal sanction from the state (or loss of livelihood except if separate and objective evidence demonstrates that said association has directly impacted a person’s ability to perform his/her duties as specified in their employment contract
Yes. You can do that now
- The right to a fair trial and due process
We have that now
- The right to enter and leave the territory of the United Kingdom in accordance with law
Well Brexit may ruin our citizens’ ability to do this.
- The right to privacy
We have that now
- The right to work, invest, own and sell property in accordance with laws;
We have that now
- The right to pursue legal redress
We have that now
- The right to petition the government
We have that now
- The right to conduct one’s life in accordance with one’s own beliefs and morals provided this does not interfere with another’s right and ability to do the same
You don’t get to define your own ‘morals’.
The UK Constitution places the unalienable duty on all people to obey the laws and regulations set down by an elected Parliament.
What a pity Stephen Yaxley-Lennon keeps falling foul of this.
The UK Constitution confirms that all citizens of the UK are equal in the eyes of the law and all are entitled to the above rights.
We have that now (in theory at least – although money can buy you additional rights)
The rights laid down above will apply to non-British citizens who reside in the UK unless they are convicted of a violent crime, or preach hatred of Britain, its people or its culture, or preach sedition. Such persons may have these rights revoked and be deported from the United Kingdom.
We have that now


It's hardly groundbreaking

It is much better than sleepwalking into Sharia and they will only do it if they are elected.

Bear in mind that they haven’t brainwashed the Left into submission.

 

[Altfish]

It is much better than sleepwalking into Sharia and they will only do it if they are elected.

Bear in mind that they haven’t brainwashed the Left into submission.

It is not an either/or decision; Sharia or Fascism.

We have alternatives, even a Tory government is more favourable than what your rabble offer.

 

[Notanumber]

It is not an either/or decision; Sharia or Fascism.

We have alternatives, even a Tory government is more favourable than what your rabble offer.

The Tory government has already capitulated at the cost of free speech.

 

[Altfish]

I see that Stephen Yaxley-Lennon's lies has managed to close down a Welsh school..

Zelo Street: Tommy Robinson School Attack WRONG

...the self-publicist strikes again.

 

[Estro Felino]

It is not an either/or decision; Sharia or Fascism.
.

wow...still having a paranoiac attitude towards an ideology that originated in another country...
but besides that...what would fascism have done to Britain?
Maybe more patriotism? more Christian values?
tragic...indeed

 

[Altfish]

wow...still having a paranoiac attitude towards an ideology that originated in another country...
but besides that...what would fascism have done to Britain?
Maybe more patriotism? more Christian values?
tragic...indeed

Read up about Oswald Mosley, you don't have a monopoly on right wing nut jobs.
Britain was fine until Brexit came along and divided the can't think of much worse than more patriotism. As for Christian values - give me strength. That's the last thing we need.

 

[Notanumber]

I see that Stephen Yaxley-Lennon's lies has managed to close down a Welsh school..

Zelo Street: Tommy Robinson School Attack WRONG

...the self-publicist strikes again.

I don’t do facebook but I looked and could not find anything about that school.

Are you saying that some Tommy Robinson supporters are now using the same tactics as ANTIFA and the Left?

I did see the video and the comments about the man using one of those new public conveniences - Security Check Required

 

[Altfish]

I don’t do facebook but I looked and could not find anything about that school.

Are you saying that some Tommy Robinson supporters are now using the same tactics as ANTIFA and the Left?

I did see the video and the comments about the man using one of those new public conveniences - Security Check Required

I would say Stephen Yaxley-Lennon uses the same tactics as Antifa, yes. I'm glad you understand now why I object to him and his cohorts.
I am NOT a supporter of Antifa tactics either.