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British Values

The Emperor of Mankind

Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
He would be head and shoulders above those Remoaner MP’s that are trying to undermine the will of the people.

Do you mean the SNP MPs who are elected to represent their constituents in Scotland, who voted overwhelmingly to Remain? Or do you mean any of the other MPs who refuse to let Quitlers change the definition of the vote after the fact?

You keep saying 'we voted for a hard Brexit' yet you don't understand that is literally impossible due to the question posed.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
You haven't read the article you posted have you?
28% of the pro-Brexit Sun's poll want a 'No Deal'
When you look at the graph (Which is deliberately fuzzy?) 24% want a second referendum
14% are Don't Knows; 18% want to extend article 50; 10% want an election.

So, actually, in a very bias poll, it just scraped over 1/4 of the pollsters.
If you add the snap election to second referendum that 34% - I'd say that's the winner
 

The Emperor of Mankind

Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
So should my Tory MP in a Remain seat vote with mandate of his constituents? Because the traitor doesn't.

Of course not. Because a slim majority voted in an advisory poll your MP's duty is to throw his Remain supporting majority under the bus because '**** reason and common sense, the people decided once and they can never be allowed to change their minds'.

I will never understand this 'we already voted on it so we can't vote again' logic. I'd love to see Quitlers apply this sort of thinking to other important aspects of their lives and see how long it takes them to run into difficulty.
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
Of course not. Because a slim majority voted in an advisory poll your MP's duty is to throw his Remain supporting majority under the bus because '**** reason and common sense, the people decided once and they can never be allowed to change their minds'.

I will never understand this 'we already voted on it so we can't vote again' logic. I'd love to see Quitlers apply this sort of thinking to other important aspects of their lives and see how long it takes them to run into difficulty.

Why don’t we have a general election every other week?

That should make some reasonably happy.
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
How many politicians do you know that would stand behind the truth and those that are not afraid to tell it as Gerard Batten has?


I like Nigel Farage but even he does not have the courage to do the same.
 

The Emperor of Mankind

Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
Our politicians are turning the UK into a police state.
However, they do not realise that the citizens are not buying it.

Stewart McDonald was at a surgery for his constituents. That's part of his job. Stephen is not one of his constituents and had no right to barge in there. McDonald is understandably afraid because a football hooligan with a violent & criminal past brought his friends to cause a confrontation and prevent McDonald from escaping the situation.

Anybody would be afraid given the circumstances.
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
Stewart McDonald was at a surgery for his constituents. That's part of his job. Stephen is not one of his constituents and had no right to barge in there. McDonald is understandably afraid because a football hooligan with a violent & criminal past brought his friends to cause a confrontation and prevent McDonald from escaping the situation.

Anybody would be afraid given the circumstances.

Tommy Robinson is being pilloried for simply speaking the truth while others run away from it.

He has a right to reply when accusations are thrown at him unjustifiably.

Parliamentary privilege must not be abused in such a disgraceful manner without being exposed for what it is.

If they think they can destroy Tommy with their propaganda, they should think again because the public are not buying it.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
If they think they can destroy Tommy with their propaganda, they should think again because the public are not buying it.
Stephen Yaxley-Lennon destroys himself by acting like a thug, going around with his 'minders' and intimidating an MP going about their business.
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
Stephen Yaxley-Lennon destroys himself by acting like a thug, going around with his 'minders' and intimidating an MP going about their business.

That is easy for you to say but you would not like it if you were publically slandered to the world and you had no legal recourse because of parliamentary privilege.

If that so-called politician and Bercow are so sure they are speaking the truth, why don’t they repeat what they said outside of parliament.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
That is easy for you to say but you would not like it if you were publically slandered to the world and you had no legal recourse because of parliamentary privilege.

If that so-called politician and Bercow are so sure they are speaking the truth, why don’t they repeat what they said outside of parliament.
Ahhh. Diddums, poor little Stephen, lets go and bully some more arabs
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
Ahhh. Diddums, poor little Stephen, lets go and bully some more arabs

He has the courage to stand up to authority and they hate him for it.

If they had half his courage, they would repeat their vile comments where they can be challenged legally.
 

The Emperor of Mankind

Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
Tommy Robinson is being pilloried for simply speaking the truth while others run away from it.

For someone who speaks 'the truth' he seems to react rather badly when it's reflected back on him. Guess he can dish it out but he can't take it.


He has a right to reply when accusations are thrown at him unjustifiably.

Of course he has a right of reply (whether the accusations are justified or not); nobody suggest otherwise. But bringing a gang of your friends to intimidate someone when they're working, and to cut off their escape routes is not the right way to do it. I mean it's pretty worrying if Stephen is planning to act in a way that makes him think 'this guy might want to escape from us so we better make sure he can't'. I mean if McDonald calls him a hooligan and Stephen pulls this kind of crap, he is sort of proving McDonald's point.

Has he ever heard of writing a letter or reaching out remotely? There are non-threatening ways to resolve this but of course he goes straight for the hooligan approach because he does not understand better and he has no respect for other peoples' points of view. He thinks intimidating and scaring his political opponents & detractors into silence is acceptable.


Parliamentary privilege must not be abused in such a disgraceful manner without being exposed for what it is.

If they think they can destroy Tommy with their propaganda, they should think again because the public are not buying it.
  • Stephen's history of criminal behaviour (his criminal record, in other words) is fact, not propaganda;
  • The fact Stephen entered a country (the USA) illegally is not propaganda;
  • That Stephen and his followers cannot condemn 'brown' child molesters fast enough but consistently turn a blind eye to white child molesters (unless they're using the word 'nonce' as a derogatory sobriquet for anyone who disagrees with them regardless of the reason) (which also shows he is engaging in dogwhistle politics) can be gleaned from observation and is not propaganda;
  • The fact that Stephen has no respect for the law is not propaganda;
  • The fact he has conned his followers out of substantial amounts of money (remember when he asked everyone to chip in for his court fees then pleaded guilty almost immediately after?) is not propaganda. Last I heard he had become what is known as a 'GoFundMe millionaire';
  • The fact that Stephen engages in populism by appealing to peoples' ignorance of the law & how it works as well as stoking prejudice against an entire group of people is observable fact, not propaganda.
On the subject of propaganda, let's look at where it's really coming from:
  • The notion that Stephen Yaxley-Lennon is some sort of cultural crusader is propaganda he actively tries to perpetuate;
  • The notion that he has his finger on the pulse of what the quintessential man on the street thinks is propaganda - he has bigoted opinions against entire groups of people based on hearsay;
  • The notion that Stephen is being persecuted by the state because they want to stop him from spreading 'the truth' is propaganda which relies on peoples' ignorance of English Common Law to work. Stephen was given a suspended sentence for contempt of court - specifically for breaching reporting restrictions on a trial which were put in place by a judge. He was told to stop pretending to be a journalist outside courthouses and a year later he committed a similar offence. He was subsequently jailed for it as his suspended sentence became active;
  • The notion that Stephen loves his country is propaganda - as evidenced by the fact he doesn't understand England's laws and seems to have a hard time abiding by them;
  • The notion that Stephen has had his freedom of speech removed is propaganda - the notion that 'freedom of speech means freedom to say what you want and damn the consequences' is an American definition that has no basis in any of the UK's respective legal systems.

You're quite liberal with the accusation that we who don't buy into the tommunist bull**** are engaging in propaganda and I can see why. You're using your normal tactic of accusing everyone else of doing what you're doing. Deflection, that's all it is.
 
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Notanumber

A Free Man
For someone who speaks 'the truth' he seems to react rather badly when it's reflected back on him. Guess he can dish it out but he can't take it.




Of course he has a right of reply (whether the accusations are justified or not); nobody suggest otherwise. But bringing a gang of your friends to intimidate someone when they're working, and to cut off their escape routes is not the right way to do it. I mean it's pretty worrying if Stephen is planning to act in a way that makes him think 'this guy might want to escape from us so we better make sure he can't'. I mean if McDonald calls him a hooligan and Stephen pulls this kind of crap, he is sort of proving McDonald's point.

Has he ever heard of writing a letter or reaching out remotely? There are non-threatening ways to resolve this but of course he goes straight for the hooligan approach because he does not understand better and he has no respect for other peoples' points of view. He thinks intimidating and scaring his political opponents & detractors into silence is acceptable.



  • Stephen's history of criminal behaviour (his criminal record, in other words) is fact, not propaganda;
  • The fact Stephen entered a country (the USA) illegally is not propaganda;
  • That Stephen and his followers cannot condemn 'brown' child molesters fast enough but consistently turn a blind eye to white child molesters (unless they're using the word 'nonce' as a derogatory sobriquet for anyone who disagrees with them regardless of the reason) (which also shows he is engaging in dogwhistle politics) can be gleaned from observation and is not propaganda;
  • The fact that Stephen has no respect for the law is not propaganda;
  • The fact he has conned his followers out of substantial amounts of money (remember when he asked everyone to chip in for his court fees then pleaded guilty almost immediately after?) is not propaganda. Last I heard he had become what is known as a 'GoFundMe millionaire';
  • The fact that Stephen engages in populism by appealing to peoples' ignorance of the law & how it works as well as stoking prejudice against an entire group of people is observable fact, not propaganda.
On the subject of propaganda, let's look at where it's really coming from:
  • The notion that Stephen Yaxley-Lennon is some sort of cultural crusader is propaganda he actively tries to perpetuate;
  • The notion that he has his finger on the pulse of what the quintessential man on the street thinks is propaganda - he has bigoted opinions against entire groups of people based on hearsay;
  • The notion that Stephen is being persecuted by the state because they want to stop him from spreading 'the truth' is propaganda which relies on peoples' ignorance of English Common Law to work. Stephen was given a suspended sentence for contempt of court - specifically for breaching reporting restrictions on a trial which were put in place by a judge. He was told to stop pretending to be a journalist outside courthouses and a year later he committed a similar offence. He was subsequently jailed for it as his suspended sentence became active;
  • The notion that Stephen loves his country is propaganda - as evidenced by the fact he doesn't understand England's laws and seems to have a hard time abiding by them;
  • The notion that Stephen has had his freedom of speech removed is propaganda - the notion that 'freedom of speech means freedom to say what you want and damn the consequences' is an American definition that has no basis in any of the UK's respective legal systems.

You're quite liberal with the accusation that we who don't buy into the tommunist bull**** are engaging in propaganda and I can see why. You're using your normal tactic of accusing everyone else of doing what you're doing. Deflection, that's all it is.

There were plenty of police on site.

If Tommy had put one foot out of place they would have had him back in slammer double quick time.
 

The Emperor of Mankind

Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
Why don’t we have a general election every other week?

That should make some reasonably happy.

Way to both strawman and spectacularly miss the point at the same time.

Nobody is saying we should "have a general election every other week". Nevertheless, the fact we have more than one general election in our lifetimes is a tacit admission that democracy is a process; that if a political party lies to get what it wants at the ballot box the electorate has the right to change their minds or not.

With Brexit the same principle should apply; and the only people who oppose this are the same people who claim they are the true supporters of democracy while
  • continuing to stand by a result that was achieved through deception and outright law-breaking;
  • claiming that people should not be allowed a say on the subject now that they have a better idea of what Brexit will actually involve;
  • continuing to insist that the Government must enact the result of an advisory referendum where entire affected parties were disenfranchised, possibly to give the Leave side more of a chance to win;
  • liberally reinterpreting the result of the vote far beyond the remit of the question to mean whatever they want;
  • waiting until after the ballot came in and you got the result you wanted to tell us what Brexit meant - or at least try to;
Your claims that you are defending democracy are thoroughly dishonest while:
  1. Supporting the idea that we cannot vote again based on new information;
  2. You support a news rag that called judges 'the enemies of the people' because they stopped Theresa May from using archaic statutes to keep Parliament out of the process;
  3. You support far-right parties preoccupied with cultural & ideological purity;
  4. You support populist thugs trying to get a toe in the door of politics who intimidate their detractors;
  5. You continue to defend an argument that saw a sitting MP killed for opposing it;
  6. You constantly try to blame things going wrong as a result of the Brexit vote on everyone except the people who voted for Brexit.
 
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