Buddhists, is this true?

[Windwalker]

Generally we don't actually know until a group is in the majority. The Buddhist have a very peaceful philosophy, but look what happened in Sri Lanka, and in Myanmar. The Baha'is would be foolish to go to arms in Iran. If they were in a majority situation somewhere, (yes that's a big 'if') and there was an armed rebellion, how could they put it down in a peaceful way? So we may never know.

Like with any religion, there are those at all stages of development within them. Even though the religion may teach a pluralistic attitude, the tribal ethnocentric mentality is what comes first before that level of inclusiveness is actually embodied by the individual. Given the position of power, as you point out, whatever the dominant center of gravity is will prevail. Then a "universal religion", like Christianity was intended to be, becomes a force of domination of others.

It's inevitable. It's the nature of any group dynamics, and the highest level teachings, become interpreted as "kill the infidels". It's not simply a matter of being taught higher truths. Education comes from growing into them, not having them poured into you or written in your scriptures. It is always understood by the level of the individual, or the group, that is reading them. You think Christians actually get what Jesus was saying? Very few do, I'm convinced. The same applies to the Baha'i'. It applies across the board.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

All? You mean all Baha'is?

Yes , hope you are well and happy. We are on day 4 of our 19 day fast.

Regards Tony

 

[Vinayaka]

Yes , hope you are well and happy. We are on day 4 of our 19 day fast.

Regards Tony

Hope you're feeling more spiritual. Is it total fast or water fast?

 

[Vinayaka]

Like with any religion, there are those at all stages of development within them. Even though the religion may teach a pluralistic attitude, the tribal ethnocentric mentality is what comes first before that level of inclusiveness is actually embodied by the individual. Given the position of power, as you point out, whatever the dominant center of gravity is will prevail. Then a "universal religion", like Christianity was intended to be, becomes a force of domination of others.

It's inevitable. It's the nature of any group dynamics, and the highest level teachings, become interpreted as "kill the infidels". It's not simply a matter of being taught higher truths. Education comes from growing into them, not having them poured into you or written in your scriptures. It is always understood by the level of the individual, or the group, that is reading them. You think Christians actually get what Jesus was saying? Very few do, I'm convinced. The same applies to the Baha'i'. It applies across the board.

It's the same principle on an individual level. An individual, bullied a lot, may well become the bully when the opportunity arises. Only the higher man can turn down his instinct for power at will.

 

[Spirit of Light]

It's the same principle on an individual level. An individual, bullied a lot, may well become the bully when the opportunity arises. Only the higher man can turn down his instinct for power at will.

I dont think i can be seen as a higher man, but i was bullied for 12 years when i was younger, not once did i raise my hand to protect or do harm to them. i have forgiven everyone who did harm to me. I would never use this to hurt others, instead i would help those kids who are bullied today.

To seek power i not for the person who seek silent within

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Generally we don't actually know until a group is in the majority. The Buddhist have a very peaceful philosophy, but look what happened in Sri Lanka, and in Myanmar. The Baha'is would be foolish to go to arms in Iran. If they were in a majority situation somewhere, (yes that's a big 'if') and there was an armed rebellion, how could they put it down in a peaceful way? So we may never know.

I can assure you the world will know. , it has been talking about this day of unity and peace for thousands of years. We are now in the dawn of that promised day.

Unity and peace start in our own hearts and each day more will want to make it a reality, where then do they turn so it can be implemented? We can see governments have not got an answer and no other faith has initiated an all embracing unity on a scale given by the 5th Buddha.

Regards Tony

 

[Vinayaka]

I dont think i can be seen as a higher man, but i was bullied for 12 years when i was younger, not once did i raise my hand to protect or do harm to them. i have forgiven everyone who did harm to me. I would never use this to hurt others, instead i would help those kids who are bullied today.

To seek power i not for the person who seek silent within

Yes indeed, I have been similar to you, but that fact remains we don't know hoe each person or group will react until put in that situation. Revenge most likely is a pretty string drive, given this plaent's history on some of it.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Hope you're feeling more spiritual. Is it total fast or water fast?

Total fast sunrise to sunset.

It has taken a lot of years for me to appreciate the benefit of a fast, as life is a constant battle of our spiritual aspect, as you would well know.

Regards Tony

 

[Vinayaka]

I can assure you the world will know. , it has been talking about this day of unity and peace for thousands of years. We are now in the dawn of that promised day.

Unity and peace start in our own hearts and each day more will want to make it a reality, where then do they turn so it can be implemented? We can see governments have not got an answer and no other faith has initiated an all embracing unity on a scale given by the 5th Buddha.

More Baha'i propaganda, Tony. it means nothing to me, nor to most people. Of course you're free to believe it, just as flat earthers are free to believe that. Lots of room for diverse beliefs here.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Yes indeed, I have been similar to you, but that fact remains we don't know hoe each person or group will react until put in that situation. Revenge most likely is a pretty string drive, given this plaent's history on some of it.

People do react differently yes, but for those who follow dhamma in a righterous way will stay away from hurting others even they are them self hurt

 

[Vinayaka]

Total fast sunrise to sunset.

It has taken a lot of years for me to appreciate the benefit of a fast, as life is a constant battle of our spiritual aspect, as you would well know.

Regards Tony

No water? That must be almost dangerous on hot days in the Queensland sun. If you passed out from dehydration, would you take some? (Probably you wouldn't have a choice, as the medical people wouldn't know you were a Baha'i.) Of course you could wear a large sign saying, "Do not resuscitate, iI'm a Baha'i, fasting."

 

[Vinayaka]

People do react differently yes, but for those who follow dhamma in a righterous way will stay away from hurting others even they are them self hurt

Yes, people react differently. But saying how you're going to react may well be wrong too. Many of us don't know our minds as well as we might like to think we do.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Yes indeed, I have been similar to you, but that fact remains we don't know hoe each person or group will react until put in that situation. Revenge most likely is a pretty string drive, given this plaent's history on some of it.

We can look at the History of the baha'i in Iran, they are the example and have not raised arms. They abide by the direcrions given by Baha'u'llah. They continually appeal to the legal system of Iran. Baha'u'llah has promised their long suffering will bring about a just government in Iran. The people of Iran will arise and help them, as they can not understand how loyal and honest citizens can be so badly treated. I see that change not being too far into the future.

Regards Tony

 

[Vinayaka]

We can look at the History of the baha'i in Iran, they are the example and have not raised arms. They abide by the direcrions given by Baha'u'llah. They continually appeal to the legal system of Iran. Baha'u'llah has promised their long suffering will bring about a just government in Iran. The people of Iran will arise and help them, as they can not understand how loyal and honest citizens can be so badly treated. I see that change not being too far into the future.

Regards Tony

It would be very foolish of them to take up arms, as Iran would wipe them out in a week.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

No water? That must be almost dangerous on hot days in the Queensland sun. If you passed out from dehydration, would you take some? (Probably you wouldn't have a choice, as the medical people wouldn't know you were a Baha'i.) Of course you could wear a large sign saying, "Do not resuscitate, iI'm a Baha'i, fasting."

Ha ha, yes there are exemptions under the law and hard manual labour is one of them. It is up to each individual.

I have found over the years that it can be managed, even in the 35 we are still having here.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

It would be very foolish of them to take up arms, as Iran would wipe them out in a week.

None want to

In the time of Baha'u'llah if the Law was not given, the Babi would have subdued Persia in no time at all.

Regards Tony

 

[Windwalker]

I can assure you the world will know. , it has been talking about this day of unity and peace for thousands of years. We are now in the dawn of that promised day.

We are on the dawn of a global collapse and the rise of ethnic cleansing when world leaders are promoting anti-immigrant rhetoric. All it will take is a little push over the edge economically, and ecologically, and I dread the thought of what we may see.

Perhaps you mean in the ashes of all this unparalleled carnage will arise world peace? You imagine it will be the Baha'i' to reign for 1000 years of peace, or something? How will that work exactly?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

We are on the dawn of a global collapse and the rise of ethnic cleansing when world leaders are promoting anti-immigrant rhetoric. All it will take is a little push over the edge economically, and ecologically, and I dread the thought of what we may see.

Perhaps you mean in the ashes of all this will arise world peace?

It will most likely take another world encompasing event, to plant the lasting thought of unity and peace in the majority of minds. We have had two world wars and in the midst of global terrorism.

I see the Most Great Peace was firmly established after the first world war, the battle of Armageddon foretold in the Bible. The lesser peace is the next goal, which is a unity of agreement set by Nations.

It appears that it takes great suffering to change our minds to help each other unaksed.

Regards Tony

 

[Vinayaka]

Ha ha, yes there are exemptions under the law and hard manual labour is one of them. It is up to each individual.

I have found over the years that it can be managed, even in the 35 we are still having here.

Regards Tony

I need my water. At 18 years old I passed fainted in heat. So I wouldn't do it without water. Shade and a breeze are useful.

 

[Vinayaka]

None want to

Maybe you don't always read the news. YouTube headquarters shooting - Wikipedia Baha'i aren't immune to lone wolves. But it's understandable when extreme frustration or mental illness takes it's toll. Victims in wars witness atrocities like their family being tortured. Little wonder revenge violence rears its head at times.