Bully XL ban

[The Hammer]

I can't see how that should be a problem, as long as it's within an individual property. I was thinking of more urban areas where there's a higher population density. On farms, out in the country, it's a much lower risk. But even then, it would still be on the owners to keep their dogs from menacing their neighbors.

It's the implementation of these sorts of restrictions though that bothers me. These laws often have broad reaching effects. If something like this got passed in my State's county it would cover both two large urban communities and several farming / small mountain communities.

And I think that this isn't uncommon in a lot of places.

 

[Augustus]

And I imagine that the worst owners will continue to own the largest and most dangerous dogs available. So why not just head off future incidents and ban all large powerful dogs?

I imagine there is a balance that can be found.

A 60kg xl bully is more of a threat than a 40kg Alsatian.

The most dangerous dogs should be banned, then the next tier should have more stringent ownership requirements and be muzzled and kept on a short leash in public areas.

But to ban something merely because it can be said to be “more dangerous to humans” than something else, seems very shortsighted.

Why would that be the case?

That’s probably the single biggest reasons we ban anything.

It’s why you can buy fireworks but not hand grenades.

 

[The Hammer]

Yes, it's true that pit bulls have a powerful bite and can rip someone's face off. But then again, if someone pours a bucket of piranha into the kiddie pool, then there will be severe injuries and possible deaths, but it ultimately depends on the actions or inactions of humans for injury or death to occur. Humans would be responsible for the outcome.

 

[Augustus]

It's the implementation of these sorts of restrictions though that bothers me. These laws often have broad reaching effects. If something like this got passed in my State's county it would cover both two large urban communities and several farming / small mountain communities.

And I think that this isn't uncommon in a lot of places.

In your opinion, what would be the reason someone in a farming community specifically needed an xl bully, as opposed to another breed?

Exemptions could be granted in certain cases of specific need.

 

[The Hammer]

Make every dog owner take the AKC canine good citizen training and test.

Canine Good Citizen (CGC) – American Kennel Club

AKC’s Canine Good Citizen program is the gold standard of behavior for dogs in our communities. One million dogs, purebred and mixed breed, have earned CGC.

www.akc.org

I've got a very active, smart, high orey drive hunting/herding breed. He is an Aussie Shep/GSP cross. I've done this training with him, (as well as others). He is better behaved in public then most children.

 

[The Hammer]

In your opinion, what would be the reason someone in a farming community specifically needed an xl bully, as opposed to another breed?

Exemptions could be granted in certain cases of specific need.

Up here we have cougars, bears, and other large animals that a bully would be great at warding off. They also make good herding dogs (yes they can be trained to herd), they are fast and like to run.

There is no reason to ever ban a breed. Ever. The owner needs to take full responsibility for the actual training required of owning a dog, the actual hours of work involved in safely owning an animal that is descended from wolves.

Position Statement on Pit Bulls

It is important to evaluate and treat each dog, no matter its breed, as an individual.

www.aspca.org

 

[Curious George]

I imagine there is a balance that can be found.

A 60kg xl bully is more of a threat than a 40kg Alsatian.

The most dangerous dogs should be banned, then the next tier should have more stringent ownership requirements and be muzzled and kept on a short leash in public areas.



Why would that be the case?

That’s probably the single biggest reasons we ban anything.

It’s why you can buy fireworks but not hand grenades.

Yet fireworks are more dangerous than kazoos. Your logic would call for banning fireworks too.

 

[Altfish]

That doesn’t really address any of my questions or statements. That other dog breeds have been “banned” doesn’t impact whether banning is reasonable, or the best way to address the issue. In fact, that the list needs to be expanded seems to indicate that the list didn’t solve the issue in the first place.

But aren't the XL Bully a new breed?
There have been about 15 deaths since about 2020 attributed to XL Bullies, that is over 50% of dog fatalities. They are a dangerous and unpredictable breed, they are no cocker-poo or Labrador.

 

[Eddi]

But aren't the XL Bully a new breed?
There have been about 15 deaths since about 2020 attributed to XL Bullies, that is over 50% of dog fatalities. They are a dangerous and unpredictable breed, they are no cocker-poo or Labrador.

Yes, and how many people have been savaged by a greyhound!

 

[Altfish]

Yes, and how many people have been savaged by a greyhound!

The bus or the dog?

 

[Eddi]

The bus or the dog?

The dog!

This is my greyhound



They make lovely companions, very placid, gentle, and affectionate

 

[Altfish]

The dog!

This is my greyhound

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They make lovely companions, very placid, gentle, and affectionate

They are good, rescue greyhounds can be very nervous and not good around people, but not dangerous.

 

[The Hammer]

The dog!

This is my greyhound

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They make lovely companions, very placid, gentle, and affectionate

They also need a large amount of exercise several times a week, to run off their speed.

 

[Secret Chief]

I imagine there is a balance that can be found.

A 60kg xl bully is more of a threat than a 40kg Alsatian.

The most dangerous dogs should be banned, then the next tier should have more stringent ownership requirements and be muzzled and kept on a short leash in public areas.



Why would that be the case?

That’s probably the single biggest reasons we ban anything.

It’s why you can buy fireworks but not hand grenades.

Don't get me started on ******* fireworks.

 

[Eddi]

They are good, rescue greyhounds can be very nervous and not good around people, but not dangerous.

We've had numerous rescue greyhounds and they have all been excellent with people

They have had very deprived lives so are most appreciative of a loving home

 

[The Hammer]

Friendliness: XL American Bullies are known for their friendly and outgoing nature. They are typically social with people and other animals, making them great family pets.

Loyalty: XL American Bullies are known for their unwavering loyalty to their owners. They are protective of their family members and will go to great lengths to keep them safe.

Trainability: XL American Bullies are intelligent and eager to please, making them easy to train. However, like any breed, they require consistent and positive training methods to ensure their behavior stays on track.

Energy Level: XL American Bullies are a high-energy breed and require daily exercise to stay healthy and happy. They enjoy activities like long walks, hiking, and playtime in the yard.

Aggression: While XL American Bullies are often portrayed as aggressive, this is typically not the case. Proper socialization and early training can help prevent aggressive behavior, but it’s important to note that individual dogs may have different temperaments.

Separation Anxiety: XL American Bullies can be prone to separation anxiety if left alone for long periods of time. To keep your XL American Bully from engaging in destructive behavior and ensure good mental health, offer enough exercise and mental stimulation.

XL American Bully Temperament: What You Should Know - The American Bully

The American Bully is quickly becoming one of the most popular breeds due to its impressive physical attributes and iconic temperament.

the-american-bully.com

Know what it takes to own a specific breed and you won't have any issues.

 

[Eddi]

They also need a large amount of exercise several times a week, to run off their speed.

That's not true but many people think that, they actually need very little exercise

 

[Altfish]

We've had numerous rescue greyhounds and they have all been excellent with people

They have had very deprived lives so are most appreciative of a loving home

I've never had one but know people who have; some of them could not be let off the lead and would be aggressive with other dogs. BUT I have no problem with them.

 

[Eddi]

I've never had one but know people who have; some of them could not be let off the lead and would be aggressive with other dogs. BUT I have no problem with them.

They have a very high prey drive, that's the issue so if they see anything then they're off!

Plus ex-racers have basically been trained to run after things

Greyhounds make good first dogs, they are weird creatures and there is no shortage of them

When they are happy they chatter their teeth

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Than I anticipate that you would be in favor of greatly expanding the ban list on an ongoing basis each time a different breed kills or maims a human.

In the UK the ban includes a number of such breeds.. and dangerous dogs of any breed.
Owners of such dangerous dogs who harm people can find themselves in prison. And fined. And be banned for ever owning dogs again.