Bully XL ban

[rocala]

Those of you against the ban, how would you explain your choice to the grieving parents?

 

[Curious George]

But aren't the XL Bully a new breed?
There have been about 15 deaths since about 2020 attributed to XL Bullies, that is over 50% of dog fatalities. They are a dangerous and unpredictable breed, they are no cocker-poo or Labrador.

Sure in the 80’s and 90’s. But recognized later. But does that address the point? If new breeds can be developed to skirt the legislation then the legislation still does not address the issue. Further other dogs not on the banned have and continue to fatally attacked humans.

 

[Curious George]

In the UK the ban includes a number of such breeds.. and dangerous dogs of any breed.
Owners of such dangerous dogs who harm people can find themselves in prison. And fined. And be banned for ever owning dogs again.

Rottweilers? Dobermans? Akita? Chow? Huskies? German shepherds? Mastiffs? Springer spaniel? The actual list seems not to include many dogs that have killed humans. Why not just cut off the issue at the pass and eliminate all dogs over a certain size? Or all dogs?

 

[rocala]

But does that address the point?

What is the point?

If new breeds can be developed to skirt the legislation then the legislation still does not address the issue.

The issue is, do we need these poor creatures? As far as I can tell, they have been bred to satisfy some obscene macho power image and nothing more. As usual the innocent suffer.

These animals should be placed into humane care and allowed to live out their lives. But as a species they do not belong in society.

 

[Curious George]

Those of you against the ban, how would you explain your choice to the grieving parents?

Would you favor any law that would in retrospect prevented a death of a child? I would tell the parents that I believe the individual dog should be put down, and the owners held liable. I would tell them that legislation that simply bans one dog breed arbitrarily doesn’t really address the issue.

 

[Curious George]

What is the point?

The issue is, do we need these poor creatures? As far as I can tell, they have been bred to satisfy some obscene macho power image and nothing more. As usual the innocent suffer.

These animals should be placed into humane care and allowed to live out their lives. But as a species they do not belong in society.

Why just the one breed?

 

[rocala]

Why just the one breed?

Is that not what the post is about?

 

[Curious George]

Is that not what the post is about?

Yes the post is in part about why just add this breed to the list? Why not Rottweilers, why not any dog breed that has killed a human, why not all dogs over a certain size?

Can’t your post apply to all of them as well?

 

[The Hammer]

Those of you against the ban, how would you explain your choice to the grieving parents?

Politely?

 

[rocala]

Yes the post is in part about why just add this breed to the list? Why not Rottweilers, why not any dog breed that has killed a human, why not all dogs over a certain size?

Can’t your post apply to all of them as well?

No. Sorry CG but I do not see the post as about different breeds. My post is about the OP.

 

[rocala]

Politely?

As you are a father it is reassuring to know that would have comforted you.

 

[Curious George]

No. Sorry CG but I do not see the post as about different breeds. My post is about the OP.

The question that is raised if one supports such a ban is why this one breed? Such logic os required to say that this one breed should be banned.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

My experience of all the American bulldog breeds is that they are unusually chill and big, sweet lumps of silly.

Yeah. They like to play and love their family and laps and giving out slobbery licks.

 

[Soandso]

The issue is, do we need these poor creatures? As far as I can tell, they have been bred to satisfy some obscene macho power image and nothing more. As usual the innocent suffer.

Yah, no. Get rid of pitbulls and a different dog breed would be used in dog fighting instead. That dog would then be associated with dog attacks instead and then we'd have the same problem all over again

Pitbulls are often abused (used for dog fighting) then abandoned in shelters. People adopt them not realizing they are getting themselves into a situation where they have a dog with special needs and unfortunately bad things happen due to their ignorance/neglect. There are many ways to nip the problem in the bud before it gets to this point, and adopting dogs with special needs to just anyone who shows up to a shelter with money is how we get into situations like this

I've had several pitbulls, and they are wonderful and loving dogs. Friends of mine have taken care of pitbulls who were rescued fighting dogs and gave them a good, attentive home as well - no problems there. Treat pitbulls with love, regard their nature thoughtfully, and give them a healthy structure and they are great. Regarding them to dismissal because "they have been bred to satisfy some obscene macho power image and nothing more" is just ignorant and grossly judgemental

 

[rocala]

Good use of government? Excessive? I didn’t see any posts about the topic, I was curious what RFers thoughts were on this topic.

That is the question I saw raised.

The question that is raised if one supports such a ban is why this one breed?

Obviously not.

Government had to do something. Tighter laws do not mean much to be honest, the ones we have don't mean much. In an increasingly lawless society, the last thing we need is that kind of animal to be available. The few that I have seen were all with highly undesirable people.
I am sure that I am treading on your dog loving principles but this dog lover has to live here, and I see no need for this breed to be here.

 

[Soandso]

My experience of all the American bulldog breeds is that they are unusually chill and big, sweet lumps of silly.

They are big ol couch potatoes and are great companions to watch movies with on cold, rainy days. They snore, though

 

[The Hammer]

As you are a father it is reassuring to know that would have comforted you.

As a multiple pet owner of many types (cats, dogs, chickens), I would be pissed at the owners negligence, not the dogs actions.

Edited: When another dog attacks mine (or me/another), I don't get ****ed at the dogs behavior. I expect the owner to cover any and all expenses related to the injury, and accept responsibility.

 

[rocala]

Edited: When another dog attacks mine (or me/another), I don't get ****ed at the dogs behavior. I expect the owner to cover any and all expenses related to the injury, and accept responsibility.

Quite right. What is the current rate for a dead child?
In addition to the expectations of the owner, I do have expectations of the the state. And that is what the OP was about. " "Excessive Government".

 

[The Hammer]

In addition to the expectations of the owner, I do have expectations of the the state. And that is what the OP was about. " "Excessive Government".

Yes and it is excessive government to ban a breed.

Punish the owner not the animal.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yah, no. Get rid of pitbulls and a different dog breed would be used in dog fighting instead. That dog would then be associated with dog attacks instead and then we'd have the same problem all over again

Pitbulls are often abused (used for dog fighting) then abandoned in shelters. People adopt them not realizing they are getting themselves into a situation where they have a dog with special needs and unfortunately bad things happen due to their ignorance/neglect. There are many ways to nip the problem in the bud before it gets to this point, and adopting dogs with special needs to just anyone who shows up to a shelter with money is how we get into situations like this

I've had several pitbulls, and they are wonderful and loving dogs. Friends of mine have taken care of pitbulls who were rescued fighting dogs and gave them a good, attentive home as well - no problems there. Treat pitbulls with love, regard their nature thoughtfully, and give them a healthy structure and they are great. Regarding them to dismissal because "they have been bred to satisfy some obscene macho power image and nothing more" is just ignorant and grossly judgemental

That could be a very good explanation. I am not sure at all if it is true, but if that is the case then I would ease up on demands that they be banned as a breed.