Burden of proof

[Bird123]

So you're open to the possibility that the deity you imagine is real isn't, and your belief is a delusion? That's something I suppose.

When I realized so much about religion simply did not add up, I started my journey to Discover what the real truth was. To Discover the real truth one must be open to all possibilities. I was open to the possibility that God did not exist. It just turned out God does exist only it's not what mankind is teaching.

There is a difference between Believing and Knowing. I have my proof. I point to where you can Discover your proof yet you sit on your hands. The only conclusion I can make is you do not want to find God.

So you do not want to find God, Great. Finding God isn't what it's all about. I found God because I had to Discover the Real Truth for myself.

The funny thing about it all is that you already know God whether you know you know or not. You will remember the next time you bump into God.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Bird123]

Your heart fears your own boundaries

The first thing God pointed out to me is that mankind carries such a narrow view. I cry that!!! I work on mine every day. As for fear, there is nothing to fear. A hungry student ,as I, will strive forward breaching the limits of any and all boundaries.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Subduction Zone]

The first thing God pointed out to me is that mankind carries such a narrow view. I cry that!!! I work on mine every day. As for fear, there is nothing to fear. A hungry student ,as I, will strive forward breaching the limits of any and all boundaries.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

Death depends on descriptions of acceptance

 

[ppp]

So you do not really seek proof, right? Discovery takes way too much effort.

The world is full of snake-oil salesmen, and you use their tactics. Unsupported assertions, hollow assurances and attempted arguments through condescension as a lever to shift the burden of proof.

If you want me to take your claims seriously, then you can do the work to make them credible. If you don't care, go handwave at someone gullible.

 

[Sheldon]

If I place a car in a village 2000 years in the past, could they discover anything about the creators?

First, one must open one's eyes. Second, one must be open to all the possibilities.

How much can your will and Intelligence Discover from what exists all around?

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

A setback of the heart is interdependent on the relatedness of motivation, subcultures, and management.

 

[Sheldon]

Widen your view. Expand your thinking. It's all there.

How long did mankind watch birds fly before they figured out how? It was staring us all in the face all along.

Are you sure you can't see anything?? Are you even trying??

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

Enqoyism is belief in the interrelatedness of all things. Remember, nothingness is not enough.

 

[Sheldon]

Is your view so narrow and so restricted that you do not know what I am saying here? I see you as closing your eyes to everything but the tightly held, comfortable belief you desperately want to be true. This is something some theists and some atheists both do. At some point, truth will become more important than beliefs. Reality will prove to be so much better when one understand more.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

What you don't understand is that trickery revels in authority, and without awareness, one cannot self-actualize.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

What you don't understand is that trickery revels in authority, and without awareness, one cannot self-actualize.

Well, yes. But for me that meant giving up on the authority of in the end a variant of rationalism.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Come off it. You've already told me that you think homosexuality comes from childhood abuse by a person of the same sex. I've already pointed out to you that that is a long-ago debunked idea that is no longer in use by anyone professional worth their salt.

Telling someone there is something inherently wrong with them because they are gay is not called "freedom." It's called abuse.

Please stop projecting your views onto me. I don't want any "closet." That's you.

Yes, sometimes homosexuality is rooted in teen or youth trauma/sex abuse.

Someone comes to me and says "Can use counsel and prayer, was raped as a child" and what should I (or a professional counselor) do?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Yes, sometimes homosexuality is rooted in teen or youth trauma/sex abuse.

Someone comes to me and says "Can use counsel and prayer, was raped as a child" and what should I (or a professional counselor) do?

I was sexualy abused as a child and turned out hetrosexual. How do I reverse that?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes, sometimes homosexuality is rooted in teen or youth trauma/sex abuse.

Someone comes to me and says "Can use counsel and prayer, was raped as a child" and what should I (or a professional counselor) do?

Citation needed. And please no bogus sources.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Yes, sometimes homosexuality is rooted in teen or youth trauma/sex abuse.

Yes, I know you believe that. Like I said, that's a long ago debunked theory that is no longer in use.

Someone comes to me and says "Can use counsel and prayer, was raped as a child" and what should I (or a professional counselor) do?

The ethical thing to do would be to send them to a certified counselor, who is equipped to help them deal with their issues. Cognitive behavioral therapy would be a very good option for them.

What you don't do is tell them that they're gay because they were abused in childhood and that there is something wrong with them because they are gay. That's just going to cause them even more trauma on top of the trauma they've already experienced.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I was sexualy abused as a child and turned out hetrosexual. How do I reverse that?

Me too! Weird, eh?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Me too! Weird, eh?

Well, I was actually mistreated as a child. But I do get that I set it up as a joke and I get how it is funny, the way I phrased it, so no bad feelings. If that is the case for you, I hope you cope.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Well, I was actually mistreated as a child. But I do get that I set it up as a joke and I get how it is funny, the way I phrased it, so no bad feelings. If that is the case for you, I hope you cope.

I'm sorry to hear that. I hope you cope as well.

No bad feelings at all. It's pretty hard to offend me.

 

[Sheldon]

Yes, sometimes homosexuality is rooted in teen or youth trauma/sex abuse.

No it isn't ever, you just made that up. Hitchens's razor applied.

 

[Sheldon]

Someone comes to me and says "Can use counsel and prayer, was raped as a child" and what should I (or a professional counselor) do?

Refer them to someone with some qualifications that don't involve unevidenced superstitions, and that won't make them feel they are somehow wrong, or that they are immoral because they happen to be gay, or appallingly make them think that who they are can be changed from gay to straight, because archaic religious homophobic bigotry thinks it is necessary.

 

[Bird123]

Death depends on descriptions of acceptance

In reality, Death is no more than a change. This is just one of the many things waiting for people to Discover. Fear of death exists for good reason. That too is part of the system.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Bird123]

The world is full of snake-oil salesmen, and you use their tactics. Unsupported assertions, hollow assurances and attempted arguments through condescension as a lever to shift the burden of proof.

If you want me to take your claims seriously, then you can do the work to make them credible. If you don't care, go handwave at someone gullible.

your quote:If you want me to take your claims seriously,
My Answer: You still do not have a clue, do you? I do not want anything of you. I make no demands of you. I simply placed truth in the world. It's somehow easier to Discover truth when one realizes it can be found.

People have falsely assumed years upon years maybe because it's easier than Discovering the real truth. Your choices whatever they are, are entirely up to you. The truth is out there. Your journey has never ever been up to me.

Has religion corrupted you? Since religions strive to acquire converts, do you think everyone is doing that? Now if someone wants to convert you, they are going to have to come up with something that you will start to believe. To them it's all about Beliefs.

For those who seek, it can only be their own responsibility to Discover the proof for themselves.

I realize you are conditioned by religion. Perhaps a new view or a new way of thinking can open doors for you.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Bird123]

What you don't understand is that trickery revels in authority, and without awareness, one cannot self-actualize.

I see no trickery. Perhaps it's time to see what actually is rather than what you want it to be.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!