Burden of proof

[Bird123]

You just some human making bald assertions. That's not knowledge. That's just the internet.


Cool story, bro. Nothing to do with your god claims.

Here is a more accurate analogy:

You: Faerie dusts makes the pretty flowers bloom.
Me: Demonstrate that faerie dust exists.
You: I bring you TRUTH!
Me: Show me that you know that faerie dust exists.
You: You are too immature to fathom my deep faerie knowledge!
Me: Show me that you are capable of knowing what you are talking about.
You: Let me give you an analogy that compares water (something for which you already have evidence) to faerie dust (for which I have supplied none).
Me: I have no reason to believe that you are even capable of knowing the things that you claim exist.
You: Faerie dusts makes the pretty flowers bloom.
Me: Cool story, bro.

Have I not pointed the direction by which you can Discover it all for yourself??

Don't you see? I don't want anyone to Believe or Follow. Those who seek will now know the direction to take the journey. Those that see and understand what I am saying will understand the gift. You see, no one pointed my journey. I had to Discover it all on my own.

For those who have been conditioned by religion to accept or reject beliefs, they will never seek until they realize what they are really doing. Do you realize? Do you have a Clue??

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Bird123]

Sorry but you did. You may not have realized how you blamed God. Most that make your error do not see it.

Blame is pointing out Fault. I see no fault in God's action to do what is in the best interest of His children.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Bird123]

No, you only have mere belief. You do not have any evidence. Evidence should be able to cut both ways. If one has no evidence that can cut against one's beliefs then one is lacking in reliable evidence.

Here is a simple question:

What reasonable test could possibly show that you were wrong? If you can't answer that properly you have admitted to having only belief.

The reasonable test is take the journey. On the other hand, I find few people that actually want to Discover God.

It can't be said there is no way to find God. It's only an assumption or a belief. Simply because the journey is not easy does not mean it doesn't exist.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Bird123]

The mind requires nonlocal space time events

Everybody wants to rule the world. Are you now placing conditions and limits on the mind. How much will you miss living in the box of conditions you place upon yourself?

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Subduction Zone]

Everybody wants to rule the world. Are you now placing conditions and limits on the mind. How much will you miss living in the box of conditions you place upon yourself?

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

But the human nervous system transcends boundless phenomena.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The reasonable test is take the journey. On the other hand, I find few people that actually want to Discover God.

It can't be said there is no way to find God. It's only an assumption or a belief. Simply because the journey is not easy does not mean it doesn't exist.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

Nope. Your error here was already explained. You just admitted that your God does not exist. Thanks for playing.

 

[ppp]

Have I not pointed the direction by which you can Discover it all for yourself??

No. In fact you have gone to a great deal of trouble to lay false trails. There is no practical result that would demonstrate your claims to be false. As such, no direction to which you have pointed is of any value.

 

[SkepticThinker]

No, dealing with childhood abuse. It's called "freedom" and you want "closet"!

Come off it. You've already told me that you think homosexuality comes from childhood abuse by a person of the same sex. I've already pointed out to you that that is a long-ago debunked idea that is no longer in use by anyone professional worth their salt.

Telling someone there is something inherently wrong with them because they are gay is not called "freedom." It's called abuse.

Please stop projecting your views onto me. I don't want any "closet." That's you.

 

[Sheldon]

If I tell you the world is round, then tell you travel around the world and end up at the same place, you would say I am bias.

No, this is clearly a falsehood.

Your beliefs are dead set the world is flat and unwilling to take the journey to Discover the Real Truth.

No, this is clearly a falsehood.

Yes, I know you think the world is round.

Then why make up demonstrably false straw men?

On the other hand, 1000 years ago we might be doing the same thing we are doing now.

Your claims are unevidenced, this collection of straw men and false equivalence fallacies don't change that, and more notably you have quoted my posted, and responded to it, but failed to address one single word of it.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

Why do you sign each post with a declaration of your own bias, is it possible you don't see the irony?

 

[Sheldon]

In this time-based causal universe God actions can be seen.

No they can't.

It stares us all in the face.

No it doesn't, and if you claimed it only for yourself it would simply be unevidenced supervision, but as you phrased it, it is a demonstrably false claim.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

Yes your blind bias is duly noticed.

 

[Sheldon]

God hides nothing,

Bird123 said: ↑
the point that God decides to pay you a visit.

It cannot be both, if a deity is hiding from me until it decides to "pay me a visit" as you just claimed, then clearly your first claim contradicts your second.

Do you know what the law of noncontradiction is?

 

[Sheldon]

From the answers you are giving me, clearly you have no clue about God or reality as it really is all about.

From the answers you are giving me you clearly have no concept of rational discourse, or the epistemological burden of proof. You seem now just to be projecting.

What is the best or most compelling piece of evidence you think exists for any deity, spare us the endless and meaningless unevidenced bombast, and just demonstrate the best reason you think there is. You surely must have one?

 

[Bird123]

Nope. Your error here was already explained. You just admitted that your God does not exist. Thanks for playing.

My God does not exist??? Possession is something one doesn't have of another. As For God existing, your belief that God does not exist depends on what you want. A journey to Discover the real truth, keeping all possibilities open, will lead to God.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Sheldon]

Have I not pointed the direction by which you can Discover it all for yourself??

No. not at all.

Those who seek will now know the direction to take the journey.

That's just a no true Scotsman fallacy.

Those that see and understand what I am saying will understand the gift.

That's just another no true Scotsman fallacy.

You see, no one pointed my journey. I had to Discover it all on my own.

Yes it is clear you have naught but unevidenced subjective opinion to support your beliefs.

For those who have been conditioned by religion to accept or reject beliefs, they will never seek until they realize what they are really doing. Do you realize? Do you have a Clue??

You keep offering these vapid unevidenced platitudes as if they are esoteric wisdom, but they're not. If you subjectively "seek" something then of course you will "find" it. that doesn't make it true.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

And that in a nutshell is where your rationale fails.

 

[Sheldon]

Discover the real truth, keeping all possibilities open

So you're open to the possibility that the deity you imagine is real isn't, and your belief is a delusion? That's something I suppose.

 

[Subduction Zone]

My God does not exist??? Possession is something one doesn't have of another. As For God existing, your belief that God does not exist depends on what you want. A journey to Discover the real truth, keeping all possibilities open, will lead to God.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

Your heart fears your own boundaries

 

[Bird123]

No. In fact you have gone to a great deal of trouble to lay false trails. There is no practical result that would demonstrate your claims to be false. As such, no direction to which you have pointed is of any value.

So you do not really seek proof, right? Discovery takes way too much effort. Like religion, you want it served up so you can decide whether to accept or reject. I won't have you believing. I point to knowing.

If I lay false trails, why do I do it? To what end does it serve? If I place the gift of Truth in the world, I merely copy the High Intelligence of God. I point to the Learning, Growing, and Advancing of others.

Unconditional Love always does what is best for the other. Which would someone of understanding choose to do. I'm easy. It stares you in the face.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Bird123]

No, this is clearly a falsehood.



No, this is clearly a falsehood.



Then why make up demonstrably false straw men?



Your claims are unevidenced, this collection of straw men and false equivalence fallacies don't change that, and more notably you have quoted my posted, and responded to it, but failed to address one single word of it.


Why do you sign each post with a declaration of your own bias, is it possible you don't see the irony?

Is your view so narrow and so restricted that you do not know what I am saying here? I see you as closing your eyes to everything but the tightly held, comfortable belief you desperately want to be true. This is something some theists and some atheists both do. At some point, truth will become more important than beliefs. Reality will prove to be so much better when one understand more.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Bird123]

No it doesn't, and if you claimed it only for yourself it would simply be unevidenced supervision, but as you phrased it, it is a demonstrably false claim.



Yes your blind bias is duly noticed.

Widen your view. Expand your thinking. It's all there.

How long did mankind watch birds fly before they figured out how? It was staring us all in the face all along.

Are you sure you can't see anything?? Are you even trying??

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Bird123]

From the answers you are giving me you clearly have no concept of rational discourse, or the epistemological burden of proof. You seem now just to be projecting.

What is the best or most compelling piece of evidence you think exists for any deity, spare us the endless and meaningless unevidenced bombast, and just demonstrate the best reason you think there is. You surely must have one?

If I place a car in a village 2000 years in the past, could they discover anything about the creators?

First, one must open one's eyes. Second, one must be open to all the possibilities.

How much can your will and Intelligence Discover from what exists all around?

That's what I see. It's very clear!!