Burqa and security

[Leo613]

How can it be safe for the public not to be able to identify a person because they're wearing a Burqa especially in today's day and age?

It could be anyone underneath maybe a criminal or even a terrorist.

 

[George-ananda]

How can it be safe for the public not to be able to identify a person because they're wearing a Burqa especially in today's day and age?

It could be anyone underneath maybe a criminal or even a terrorist.

I think freedom of dress such as the Burqa should be allowed in general public places.

 

[sun rise]

I think freedom of dress such as the Burqa should be allowed in general public places.

I agree. After all, we allow masks to be worn in public for decades on end and no one has objected to that.

When it comes to areas where photo ID is required such as driver's license, I think it's reasonable to require a photo ID to be a real photo ID with the person's face.

 

[Leo613]

I agree. After all, we allow masks to be worn in public for decades on end and no one has objected to that.

When it comes to areas where photo ID is required such as driver's license, I think it's reasonable to require a photo ID to be a real photo ID with the person's face.

Are you saying because masks are ok then burqas should be ok?

I don't think one has to do with the other. The reality is that covering one's face so that they can't be identified is a security risk.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

We allow hooded jackets, ski masks, and other things that obscure someone's face. I don't see why Muslim headdresses are constantly being attacked the way they are, save for blatant fear and prejudice against Muslims. Even shaving off a full beard can make a man look entirely different.

 

[Jonathan Ainsley Bain]

We allow hooded jackets, ski masks, and other things that obscure someone's face. I don't see why Muslim headdresses are constantly being attacked the way they are, save for blatant fear and prejudice against Muslims.

Hoodies are banned in lots of places.
And they're not even totally covering the face.

 

[Leo613]

We allow hooded jackets, ski masks, and other things that obscure someone's face. I don't see why Muslim headdresses are constantly being attacked the way they are, save for blatant fear and prejudice against Muslims.

Hoodies are also have negative press. Ski masks are not worn on regular bases like burqa.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Hoodies are banned in lots of places.

That's interesting. They're actually pretty common around here.

 

[Politesse]

Oppression and safety are not easy bedfellows; if your sense of security is dependent on stripping others of their rights, you will never be, or feel, safe.

 

[Leo613]

Oppression and safety are not easy bedfellows; if your sense of security is dependent on stripping others of their rights, you will never be, or feel, safe.

Can you give another example like this ?

 

[Sapiens]

Hm ... nudist airlines, the safest way to fly?

 

[Politesse]

Can you give another example like this ?

The entire history of oppression? Security is nearly always cited as the reason why a class of citizens must be kept down. And those who vote for measure after measure just get more paranoid with each new punishment, as they know they are creating resentment and are still afraid.

 

[Leo613]

The entire history of oppression? Security is nearly always cited as the reason why a class of citizens must be kept down. And those who vote for measure after measure just get more paranoid with each new punishment, as they know they are creating resentment and are still afraid.

Can you give example?

 

[Politesse]

Can you give example?

In 1942, an executive order required all US residents of Japanese descent to relocate to specialized internment camps. While the government acknowledged the potential innocence of most of those affected, it was felt that having people at large who might side with the enemy was too great a risk.

This did nothing to actually comfort the American people; they spent the rest of the war constantly terrified of Japanese attacks on American soil, and accusing neighbors with any sort of Asian descent that they must be Japanese persons in disguise, waiting for the right moment to strike.

 

[Leo613]

In 1942, an executive order required all US residents of Japanese descent to relocate to specialized internment camps. While the government acknowledged the potential innocence of most of those affected, it was felt that having people at large who might side with the enemy was too great a risk.

This did nothing to actually comfort the American people; they spent the rest of the war constantly terrified of Japanese attacks on American soil, and accusing neighbors with any sort of Asian descent that they must be Japanese persons in disguise, waiting for the right moment to strike.

It still doesn't take away the real risk of disguise and not being able to identify someone.

 

[Leo613]

In 1942, an executive order required all US residents of Japanese descent to relocate to specialized internment camps. While the government acknowledged the potential innocence of most of those affected, it was felt that having people at large who might side with the enemy was too great a risk.

This did nothing to actually comfort the American people; they spent the rest of the war constantly terrified of Japanese attacks on American soil, and accusing neighbors with any sort of Asian descent that they must be Japanese persons in disguise, waiting for the right moment to strike.

I don't like masks on Halloween or Jewish holidays but at least its only couple hours but the whole time is making me very uncomfortable not knowing who that person is.

 

[Leo613]

In 1942, an executive order required all US residents of Japanese descent to relocate to specialized internment camps. While the government acknowledged the potential innocence of most of those affected, it was felt that having people at large who might side with the enemy was too great a risk.

This did nothing to actually comfort the American people; they spent the rest of the war constantly terrified of Japanese attacks on American soil, and accusing neighbors with any sort of Asian descent that they must be Japanese persons in disguise, waiting for the right moment to strike.

And its getting me very nervous

 

[Politesse]

And its getting me very nervous

Okay, but do you promise to stop being afraid of women if you are allowed to force them to undress in public? Or will she be violated, and you still feel nervous?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I don't see why Muslim headdresses

This is the burqa:

We're not talking about the hijab. Personally, I don't have much of a problem in banning burqas. No school of mainstream Islam requires those and it's a sure mark of extremism. I'm unsure about banning niqabs because they do seem to play a part in certain established schools of Islam and are quite widespread in the Muslim world, even though I'm very uncomfortable with the notion of women feeling that they have to cover their face for religious "modesty" reasons. It's even sadder when I see little girls wearing them. The face is a huge part of human communication and our identity.

So personally, my issue is the covering of the face. Hijabs are just fine. I even think they're pretty.

 

[freethinker44]

Hm ... nudist airlines, the safest way to fly?

Nothing says "ewww" more than being trapped in a tube with 200 naked people for 3 hours.
The only thing worse than having the middle seat between two morbidly obese people, is having the middle seat between two naked morbidly obese people.