Businesses Requiring Vaccine Passports

[Trailblazer]

Nonsense.

Get the vaccine, it saves lives. Don't be selfish (being immunized protects others).

I consider judging others as selfish because they do not want the vaccine to be manipulative and judgmental.
The sad thing is that those who do it not even realize what they are doing.

 

[McBell]

Do you actually approve of this?

It matters not if I agree with it or not.
It is the companies right.

 

[Trailblazer]

If a business owner, say a grocery store, decides to make it mandatory, and someone in a free-will country has always been going to this store, it is literally forcing that person to either get the vaccine or go to another store. While most people would take the vaccine so the store won't loose money, the ethical issues involved is totally off key.

I'll just go to another store until there is no other store, and then I will leave the country.

 

[McBell]

I consider judging others as selfish because they do not want the vaccine to be manipulative and judgmental.
The sad thing is that those who do it not even realize what they are doing.

Everyone judges others.
You have to in order to get along in life.

 

[McBell]

I'll just go to another store until there is no other store, and then I will leave the country.

See, "problem" solved.....

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I'll just go to another store until there is no other store, and then I will leave the country.

That other store probably has a better sale anyway.

 

[Regiomontanus]

I consider judging others as selfish because they do not want the vaccine to be manipulative and judgmental.
The sad thing is that those who do it not even realize what they are doing.

Wearing masks and getting the vaccine saves lives. I don't want the death of someone's grandmother on my conscience. I am sorry if stating that not saving lives is being selfish offends you. But it is selfish.

 

[Trailblazer]

Yeah, that points not really valid anymore.

Nor is it logical. But heck, who needs logic, let's all just act on our emotions.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

They do: Unless this law actively states that everyone should be mandated to get the vaccine, it doesn't infringe on bodily autonomy any more than the requirement not to be naked inside specific establishments. Someone didn't get the vaccine? Fine, but privately owned facilities are free not to endanger the rest of their clientele for that one person.

If the government enforces such a thing, it would force people to get the vaccine or else they will be shut out of society. We don't even do that to children who don't vaccinated. They just can't attend public school without some vaccines, but they can do whatever else they want.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

It seems to me that a considerable portion of them only value "basic liberties" when said liberties are theirs or when they mislabel an infringement on others' safety or rights as a "basic liberty." The vocal, numerous theocratic ideologues among the American population further reinforce this.

Those who most often tout their "freedom of choice/speech" seem to also be the ones most often flouting these values when they're dealing with others' rights, freedoms, and safety. For many, it has largely become a juvenile and self-serving mantra rather than genuine support for liberty.

That's just a character assassination.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Experimental when millions upon millions of people have gotten the jab? Sure, in the beginning, being cautious was very reasonable. Now the evidence is overwhelming that the vaccines are safe and effective.

Shady company? I guess you're an anti-business type, more anti-business than AOC. Presumably you want the government to do all the work, ie, standard government runs everything.

I'm talking about mRNA vaccines, which haven't been used before on humans. And Moderna does have a shady financial history, and has never had a vaccine approved before.

 

[Trailblazer]

Sounds like fear more than it does anything else.

That is exactly what it is, fear of death.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

It’s to starve the virus of hosts, denying it a chance to mutate and to allow the bacteria to die since it can only survive for a certain amount of time. It’s why we have to wipe down surfaces using anti bacterial sanitiser every 30 minutes at work. We have to eradicate it, not just idly stand by while it infects us
Like Such measures are backed by observable scientific data and what we already know about how diseases work in the first place

True. That doesn't mean its everyone's responsibility to take it no matter if they are expects in the field, ignorant, or just an everyday person at low risk. I usually don't do things out of possibilities unless its so high it affects me and my loved ones personally. If it's not a bomb or a plague, I'm pretty much cool with not spreading the virus and staying in if I'm sick. I don't look down to people who take the vaccine and I would hope no one would look down at me for not taking it. We can know all the scientific data in the world, but its still a person's personal decision to take the vaccine. Science pushes some people to make decisions, but I do find there is a balance.

 

[Kenny]

We LOVED the Sign and the Coffee shop in Mount Dora

 

[Regiomontanus]

I'm talking about mRNA vaccines, which haven't been used before on humans. And Moderna does have a shady financial history, and has never had a vaccine approved before.

I was skeptical of this new type of vaccine too (though mRNA are used in a similar way in chemotherapy treatments) but once we look into what actually happens inside our bodies when we get these shots we can see it is not mysterious (pretty interesting too).

"COVID-19 mRNA vaccines give instructions for our cells to make a harmless piece of what is called the “spike protein.” The spike protein is found on the surface of the virus that causes COVID-19.

COVID-19 mRNA vaccines are given in the upper arm muscle. Once the instructions (mRNA) are inside the immune cells, the cells use them to make the protein piece. After the protein piece is made, the cell breaks down the instructions and gets rid of them.

Next, the cell displays the protein piece on its surface. Our immune systems recognize that the protein doesn’t belong there and begin building an immune response and making antibodies, like what happens in natural infection against COVID-19.

At the end of the process, our bodies have learned how to protect against future infection. The benefit of mRNA vaccines, like all vaccines, is those vaccinated gain this protection without ever having to risk the serious consequences of getting sick with COVID-19."

Understanding mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines

And let me ask you, brother, isn't this a matter of loving your neighbor?

 

[Trailblazer]

Not when it has been set down by the owner of of a business you must be vaccinated to be on their property.

No shirt
No shoes
No mask
No vaccine
No service.​

Then I won't enter their business.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I was skeptical of this new type of vaccine too (though mRNA are used in a similar way in chemotherapy treatments) but once we look into what actually happens inside our bodies when we get these shots we can see it is not mysterious (pretty interesting too).

"COVID-19 mRNA vaccines give instructions for our cells to make a harmless piece of what is called the “spike protein.” The spike protein is found on the surface of the virus that causes COVID-19.

COVID-19 mRNA vaccines are given in the upper arm muscle. Once the instructions (mRNA) are inside the immune cells, the cells use them to make the protein piece. After the protein piece is made, the cell breaks down the instructions and gets rid of them.

Next, the cell displays the protein piece on its surface. Our immune systems recognize that the protein doesn’t belong there and begin building an immune response and making antibodies, like what happens in natural infection against COVID-19.

At the end of the process, our bodies have learned how to protect against future infection. The benefit of mRNA vaccines, like all vaccines, is those vaccinated gain this protection without ever having to risk the serious consequences of getting sick with COVID-19."

Understanding mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines

And let me ask you, brother, isn't this a matter of loving your neighbor?

We have to love ourselves before we can love anyone else. I'm not putting anything in my body I'm unsure of. I did not sign up to be a test subject. We won't really know what the effects of this are until years from now. I'm not an "anti-vax" person. I even get the flu shot every year. I'm just not getting something that will play around with my cells in such a way. Honestly, I don't really need the vaccine, anyway. I haven't had a virus since I was a child and don't have things like diabetes or immune problems which put you in the high risk category.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

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We LOVED the Sign and the Coffee shop in Mount Dora

Lovely pics! Nice to see your wife. You always speak so highly of her.

 

[Trailblazer]

That sounds more like a description of the typical conspiracy theorist on the Internet than a description of anyone I've seen who supports the scientific consensus about vaccination.

"scientific consensus about vaccination"

If I had continued to believe in the scientific consensus regarding the safety of certain drugs I used to take I would be dead by now. Sorry, no thanks.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

So, you’re a layman? Like me. Typically I find it better to listen to experts. Like experts tell me that a seat belt helps me survive a crash. That sounds fair.

I'm sure you can figure that out on your own, though?

If a doctor diagnosed me with cancer, I'd get a second and third opinion. Sure I listen to the experts, but I do have a brain myself.

First of all, social distancing has only been a thing for a couple years. Thanks to COVID. We haven’t even finished our first roll out of vaccines. What are you talking about?

Secondly we know for a fact that anti vaxxers are the reason for a resurgence in previously eradicated diseases. Because we’ve studied this. Numerous times. Every single solitary time a previously eradicated disease made a comeback, guess what also happened at the exact same time? People not vaccinating. There’s correlation and there’s coincidence. Sure. But when it happens literally every time? Then there just comes a time where you just have to face facts.

You'd have to show me a stat.... I don't think it's possible to generalize that much to say antivaxxers are the cause for this or that. Anti-vaxxers (at least in the states) are a minority. I would have to see a fact-statistics.. what you're saying sounds like a generalization on people you disagree with. It highly depends on many factors.

I won't say you're wrong, I just can't take your word for it unless you can support the correlation between anti-vaxxers and resurge of the disease. The social distancing argument makes more sense in the resurge but not people choosing not to take the vaccine.

We’re not even vaccinated yet. What are you talking about? I’m talking about illnesses in general.

I lost track. I'd have to look.

Oh like observing speed laws? Wearing seat belts? Wearing safety gear?
There’s a whole host of things we do as a whole. More or less. Are you suggesting that health and safety is dumb simply because most people comply?

No. I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion.