"...but intelligent people believe in God" Analysis, Discussion, and Debate

[columbus]

there are atheist which have a complete lack of belief; then there are antitheist

Can you tell the difference?
I can tell the difference between Muslims and Christians. This isn't very different.
Tom

 

[wizanda]

Can you tell the difference?

Yeah sometimes, the Antitheists are more religious about their belief.

I can tell the difference between Muslims and Christians. This isn't very different.

Made a thread about it in the past, that people confuse Atheist and Antitheist; not many confuse Muslims and Christians.

 

[columbus]

Yeah sometimes, the Antitheists are more religious about their belief.

Nope.
Acting like religious people do doesn't make them religious about their belief.
It just makes them like you religious people, irritating.
Tom

 

[wizanda]

It just makes them like you religious people

I'm not religious, there is no one that follows my belief, and have no religious practises.

Acting like religious people do doesn't make them religious about their belief.

What makes them religious about their belief, is to dogmatically assert it at other people repetitively; especially as being an ultimate truth, where it isn't open to being questioned...

Real people talk about topics together; whereas often religious people have this 'my side' vs 'your side' mentality.

 

[CogentPhilosopher]

A group of people with a fundamental belief is a religion; why Jedi has been made an official religion in the UK.

So atheism is not a religion.

Thank you for clarifying.

 

[CogentPhilosopher]

I'm not religious, there is no one that follows my belief, and have no religious practises.

Good one.

 

[CogentPhilosopher]

Some do.

But that's neither here nor there.

Where and when has that happened?

 

[CogentPhilosopher]

It's almost impossible to talk to theists. They think that because they are the Official Spokesman for God they can also read minds. So they will tell you what you Believe, even after you have said something else.
Tom

Ah, but I was a theist once and I know theists that are reasonable.

 

[Willamena]

Where and when has that happened?

Why are you asking? Are you hoping to claim that no one has ever done it? Do you think the odds are with you, or with me?

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

Art is not completely subjective. Nothing is, nothing can be since "subjective" engenders "objective," and vice-versa.

It was just one "ridiculous claim" substituted for another to show that the OP is effective and ineffective at the same time.

What is objective about art? Is beauty not in the eye of the beholder? And what is subjective about knowledge/natural law?

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

Thank you for your thoughts.

I and I know DarkMatter2525 recognize that a deistic god could very exist.

But since a deistic deity is not necessary to explain the universe and has no evidence for it's existence I do not believe in one.

It's definitely a possibility though.

There's absolutely no evidence for or against atheism and deism. The question only comes up due wondering at the cause for Creation, and to wonder if death is truly. The only impetus for preferring deism, for me, is hope.

 

[Willamena]

What is objective about art? Is beauty not in the eye of the beholder? And what is subjective about knowledge/natural law?

Often, the non-literal message can be objective. For instance, the statue of David depicts Greek ideas of what the ideal male should be in appearance.

 

[pearl]

The fact that you consider this a big change

Actually, for me it was a 'big' change. My dad hated Catholics so much he would not attend my wedding in a Catholic Church. We did not speak for a year.

 

[columbus]

Actually, for me it was a 'big' change. My dad hated Catholics so much he would not attend my wedding in a Catholic Church. We did not speak for a year.

I have no doubt it was.
For you.
But it's because you are so thoroughly indoctrinated in trinitarianism that the jump between two different flavors of the same thing was such a big deal to you and your family. It isn't like protestants and catholics are really all that different.
You didn't become a Buddhist or LDS or something truly different from your roots.
Tom

 

[CogentPhilosopher]

There's absolutely no evidence for or against atheism and deism. The question only comes up due wondering at the cause for Creation, and to wonder if death is truly. The only impetus for preferring deism, for me, is hope.

Disbelief in something is the default logical position is all.

 

[CogentPhilosopher]

Actually, for me it was a 'big' change. My dad hated Catholics so much he would not attend my wedding in a Catholic Church. We did not speak for a year.

If thats the case I'm sorry your dad acted/acts that way.

 

[CogentPhilosopher]

Why are you asking? Are you hoping to claim that no one has ever done it? Do you think the odds are with you, or with me?

I don't know who the odds are with. I am just taking the skeptic position here.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

Often, the non-literal message can be objective. For instance, the statue of David depicts Greek ideas of what the ideal male should be in appearance.

And those ideas are subjective. Any Greeks who thought it wasn't the ideal appearance weren't wrong. And what about non-Greeks? Objective = universal, by definition.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

Disbelief in something is the default logical position is all.

When discussing the existence of God, yes. But what broaches the subject in the first place is, was the universe created/designed, and would such a creator have power over the universe, and what happens to our spirit when we die. There are no default answer to those questions, and further, there is no evidence for or against either.

 

[Willamena]

And those ideas are subjective. Any Greeks who thought it wasn't the ideal appearance weren't wrong. And what about non-Greeks? Objective = universal, by definition.

That indicates that they are relative, not necessarily subjective.