But you said you were okay with abortion...

[Koldo]

So why didn't the guy get it in writing with the advice of a lawyer and two witnesses to ensure that it would be a legally binding agreement?

Verbal agreements have very little standing in court. In addition to the problem of faulty memory, people may verbally agree to things that turn out to be illegal, hence the need for consultation with a lawyer.

Why should he need a paper saying this if both parts agree with the same version of the story?

 

[Willamena]

It's the mother's action that caused the financial loss.
Therefore, it is the mother that has to restitute it.

How much financial loss is incurred by this act of broken promise? Would it be the total amount that would incur for one parent over a period of 18 years of raising a child? You're simply asking for the mother to pay double what she otherwise would pay.

 

[ChristineES]

It would be along the lines of:

1) If she makes past a certain mark of income, the child won't receive child support anymore. The woman will fully pay for the expenses.
2) Once the child completes 18 years old, no more child support will be given and the woman will have to give back all the ammount received to support the child, monthly, or, if possible, in a single time, accordingly readjusted ( if needed ).



Are you talking to yourself?

What I am trying to figure out is why you want to punish the baby for. This isn't about a woman and her promise but a child the man helped make. No woman EVER had a baby all by herself. If this man never wanted to have children, then he should take better precaution and not just leave it all for the woman to do. If he was truly responsible, he wouldn't have had sex and made a baby in the first place.

 

[Willamena]

Koldo, a case could be made for that you're asking the woman to pay the man for making her pregnant.

There's a word for that...

 

[Koldo]

What I am trying to figure out is why you want to punish the baby for. This isn't about a woman and her promise but a child the man helped make. No woman EVER had a baby all by herself. If this man never wanted to have children, then he should take better precaution and not just leave it all for the woman to do. If he was truly responsible, he wouldn't have had sex and made a baby in the first place.

How am i punishing the baby?

 

[McBell]

If he was truly responsible, he wouldn't have had sex and made a baby in the first place.

{sarcasm}
But that is simply not fair.
See, the man is supposed to be able to screw whom ever he wants, when ever he wants, and not be made to ever pay child support simply because he does not want to have any children that he has to pay support for...
Can't you see it is just not fair to men?
{/sarcasm}

 

[Koldo]

How much financial loss is incurred by this act of broken promise? Would it be the total amount that would incur for one parent over a period of 18 years of raising a child? You're simply asking for the mother to pay double what she otherwise would pay.

Her loss was caused by her own choice of breaking the promise.
It wasn't caused by someone else, and therefore no restitution is due.

Koldo, a case could be made for that you're asking the woman to pay the man for making her pregnant.

There's a word for that...

Be my guest.

 

[ChristineES]

How am i punishing the baby?

Baby when older- "Mommy, who is my daddy? Is he dead?" What is the mom supposed to say? She can't very well say "I'm sorry, your daddy doesn't want you; he wanted a roll in the rack but not the responsibility for it". I mean, she can think that but she can't say that. Money can take care of material items like food and clothes but there are some things it can't take care of.

 

[Koldo]

Baby when older- "Mommy, who is my daddy? Is he dead?" What is the mom supposed to say? She can't very well say "I'm sorry, your daddy doesn't want you; he wanted a roll in the rack but not the responsibility for it". I mean, she can think that but she can't say that. Money can take care of material items like food and clothes but there are some things it can't take care of.

What does this have to do with what i proposed?

 

[Mathematician]

Baby when older- "Mommy, who is my daddy? Is he dead?" What is the mom supposed to say? She can't very well say "I'm sorry, your daddy doesn't want you; he wanted a roll in the rack but not the responsibility for it". I mean, she can think that but she can't say that. Money can take care of material items like food and clothes but there are some things it can't take care of.

If the woman in the scenarios articulated thus far was being fair, "He was a one-night stand I met at the bars."

 

[ChristineES]

If the woman in the scenarios articulated thus far was being fair, "He was a one-night stand I met at the bars."

Or the old "it could be one of three men, and no, I don't remember their names". (ha-ha just kidding). Yours is the probably the most likely answer.

 

[Kerr]

It has been broken.
What consequence should she face for doing so while at the time keeping in mind the well-being of the child?

Other then raizing a child, none.

 

[Kerr]

It's the mother's action that caused the financial loss.
Therefore, it is the mother that has to restitute it.

How would you suggest she does that?

 

[Alceste]

Why should he need a paper saying this if both parts agree with the same version of the story?

A contract would cover all the bases. What to do if one party or the other changes their mind, for example, and who will be responsible for any possible offspring, what percentage of the income of the non-custodial parent should be responsible for, the process by which one party or the other can be released from responsibility, and all under the guidance of a lawyer who could help ensure both parties are agreeing to something that is actually permissible under the law.

If you don't take this crucial step, you're obviously not serious about this "agreement", so it can't be seen to be legally binding.

 

[Koldo]

Other then raizing a child, none.

Raising a child is a choice she made.
I want people to take responsibility for their actions.

How would you suggest she does that?

I already said how.

 

[Koldo]

A contract would cover all the bases. What to do if one party or the other changes their mind, for example, and who will be responsible for any possible offspring, what percentage of the income of the non-custodial parent should be responsible for, the process by which one party or the other can be released from responsibility, and all under the guidance of a lawyer who could help ensure both parties are agreeing to something that is actually permissible under the law.

If you don't take this crucial step, you're obviously not serious about this "agreement", so it can't be seen to be legally binding.

A law could easily set all the standards for those bases.

 

[Willamena]

A law could easily set all the standards for those bases.

A contract would be more reasonable than a law, because it would approach things on a case-by-case basis and because it would cut down on the number of instances that have to take up the court's time and the public's money.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

A law could easily set all the standards for those bases.

A demented draconian law would.

 

[Koldo]

A contract would be more reasonable than a law, because it would approach things on a case-by-case basis and because it would cut down on the number of instances that have to take up the court's time and the public's money.

The law that sets the standards could just be used if there is no written contract.

A demented draconian law would.

If the other person doesn't already agree with you, this sort of post is utterly useless.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

If the other person doesn't already agree with you, this sort of post is utterly useless.

Yeah. It's almost as useless as proposing a law that the vast majority of people would consider unreasonable.