But you said you were okay with abortion...

[NIX]

It was strictly her choice to have baby.

Well in what way do you want to punish her for having been stupid enough to make a promise she couldn't keep? What punishment would satisfy you?

 

[NIX]

This whole thing makes me want to spearhead a media campaign to encourage women NOT TO SAY ANYTHING THAT COULD BE CONSTRUED AS A PROMISE OF ABORTION IN CASE OF ACCIDENTAL PREGNANCY.

Of course I will need a much shorter and catchier slogan. I'll need coffee first.

 

[Koldo]

Ah, gotcha. Your insistence on how a woman needs to take responsibility for her actions means.....what, exactly?

Just go through with the pregnancy? Is that all, Mr. "So What?"

It would be along the lines of:

1) If she makes past a certain mark of income, the child won't receive child support anymore. The woman will fully pay for the expenses.
2) Once the child completes 18 years old, no more child support will be given and the woman will have to give back all the ammount received to support the child, monthly, or, if possible, in a single time, accordingly readjusted ( if needed ).

Talk about an uncalled for and rude response.....

Are you talking to yourself?

 

[Koldo]

You and I have very different ideas about the law.

Do you think that lying is moral or just? How about insulting another person? Adultery? I consider all of these things immoral, but I don't seek to make any of them illegal.

Lying? Depends.
Insulting another person? Yes, but this can be rather subjective. What one may regard as insulting, may not be for another person.
Adultery? Yes.

I would like to see everything i regard as immoral being illegal.

 

[Koldo]

On what happens regarding the pregnancy? It's best to just realize and accept the full ramifications of this from the get go. It's called reality.

That's half of the issue.
It is about what should happen during and after the pregnancy.
Which is why i asked: 'The final say on what?'

 

[Koldo]

Well in what way do you want to punish her for having been stupid enough to make a promise she couldn't keep? What punishment would satisfy you?

I will quote myself:

It would be along the lines of:

1) If she makes past a certain mark of income, the child won't receive child support anymore. The woman will fully pay for the expenses.
2) Once the child completes 18 years old, no more child support will be given and the woman will have to give back all the ammount received to support the child, monthly, or, if possible, in a single time, accordingly readjusted ( if needed ).

 

[NIX]

It would be along the lines of:

1) If she makes past a certain mark of income, the child won't receive child support anymore. The woman will fully pay for the expenses.
2) Once the child completes 18 years old, no more child support will be given and the woman will have to give back all the ammount received to support the child, monthly, or, if possible, in a single time, accordingly readjusted ( if needed ).

LOL. Oh the legal forms I could draw up! The "promissory abortion" document for the men... and the "take your chances" waiver form for the women. Wouldn't you just love to be a fly on the wall of bedrooms, hotel rooms and back seats everywhere?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Lying? Depends.
Insulting another person? Yes, but this can be rather subjective. What one may regard as insulting, may not be for another person.
Adultery? Yes.

I would like to see everything i regard as immoral being illegal.

Well, I'm glad you're not in charge of making the law, then.

 

[Koldo]

Well, I'm glad you're not in charge of making the law, then.

I am not.

 

[Koldo]

LOL. Oh the legal forms I could draw up! The "promissory abortion" document for the men... and the "take your chances" waiver form for the women. Wouldn't you just love to be a fly on the wall of bedrooms, hotel rooms and back seats everywhere?

You know pens exist out of bedrooms and hotel rooms, right?

 

[McBell]

This whole thing makes me want to spearhead a media campaign to encourage women NOT TO SAY ANYTHING THAT COULD BE CONSTRUED AS A PROMISE OF ABORTION IN CASE OF ACCIDENTAL PREGNANCY.

Of course I will need a much shorter and catchier slogan. I'll need coffee first.

How about:

If you gonna open your legs, keep your mouth shut
​

or

Mouth and legs, when one is open keep the other shut
​

 

[McBell]

LOL. Oh the legal forms I could draw up! The "promissory abortion" document for the men... and the "take your chances" waiver form for the women. Wouldn't you just love to be a fly on the wall of bedrooms, hotel rooms and back seats everywhere?

Wonder how it would change the one night stand scenes?

After all, any legal document signed while intoxicated...

 

[McBell]

You know pens exist out of bedrooms and hotel rooms, right?

so what?

 

[Koldo]

so what?

So... here it is!

*Koldo gives a pen to Mestemia*

Now you don't need to sign any papers in a bedroom anymore.

 

[McBell]

So... here it is!

*Koldo gives a pen to Mestemia*

Now you don't need to sign any papers in a bedroom anymore.

I am not the one trying as hard as I can to get out of my responsibilities....

Nor am i the one wanting to allow others to do the same.

 

[Koldo]

I am not the one trying as hard as I can to get out of my responsibilities....

Nor am i the one wanting to allow others to do the same.

Same here!

 

[Kerr]

And? What do you mean by that?

It means that the well being of the baby takes priority over a promise.

 

[Koldo]

It means that the well being of the baby takes priority over a promise.

Which doesn't mean the promise has to be ignored.
It is possible to reconcile both of them.

 

[Kerr]

Which doesn't mean the promise has to be ignored.
It is possible to reconcile both of them.

If she decides to have the baby then the promise not to have it has already been ignored . But I agree, they should find a solution that works for both of them. And for the child. Parents dont always get along well enough to do that, though, which is very unfortunate.

 

[Alceste]

And, the marriage license is legally binding, and that the verbal promise was made in front of witnesses that the marriage would last until the death of one or both of them.

Of course, it doesn't matter if the dad is molesting the children, or the mom is chasing the dad around with a knife. That marriage should last by law because they both said they were okay with being married for life. They should face the consequences of their decisions.

That's why we vowed to stay married "as long as love lasts". Only a fool makes promises they may not be able to keep, or expects others to honour unrealistic promises.