By the way -- if you claim to be a Christian...

[Dimi95]

That comment in one case was directed towards Peter, the "worthless shepherd" of Zechariah 14:17, who was the first shepherd/disciple chosen, but who will be the last in stature, who was chosen to fulfill Isaiah 22:15-25 & Zech 11, whereas Peter's followers, those who hang onto his words, will be "cut off". Matthew 19:27-30 was with respect to Peter asking what was in it for him.

The Last and least is Paul , and he will be called first.

 

[Dimi95]

Read Revelation 20:10, whereas the new condo of the "beast", "false prophet" and "devil" is the "lake of fire". As for Revelation 21 & 22, they are in the future, and the lawless, those who love lying, dwell outside the gate (Rev 22:15). As for the "root and offspring of David" (Rev 22:16) he will be ruling as king in Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:15-16), and the survivors of the "day of the LORD" will have to come to Jerusalem every year to bow down to him on the feast of Booths.

Zechariah 14:16 Then it will come about that any who are left of all the nations that went against Jerusalem will go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to celebrate the Feast of Booths.

Your answer is telling enough that you are clueless..

John 4
"Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem.You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews.Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth."

 

[metis]

The God of Israel was the same God of Abraham, Noah, and Adam. Adam was from the beginning. Apparently, the God of Noah, didn't ignore the people of Noah's time, nor will he ignore the people of today, whether they acknowledge the God of Israel or not. It will come down to how they treat their neighbors.

You have switched the question as I was not referring to Judaism but the emergence of Christianity many centuries later.
So, please go back and answer what I asked and not deflect into something else.

Take our complaint to God. Or possibly, you don't think John in John 1 was telling the Truth, but then again you might think your take is superior to John's because of your supposedly superior "logic".

How moral is it for you to be so dishonest and have me saying something I have never said nor implied? Does your denomination teach you that this is somehow moral? My brand of Christianity says that this is unethical but then maybe yours doesn't?

The 10 Commandments, Law of God, are in the ark of the covenant. The 1st four are with respect to how to love God, and the last 6 are for loving your neighbor. The Law of God, the Commandments, are for every person (Ecclesiastes 12:10), whereas the law of Moses, are for the sanctification of Israel.

As I posted, which you have totally ignored, were the 613 Commandments as found in Torah, whereas the first 10 were just a beginning.

Maybe actually reread the segments after Noah comes down from Sinai to give the Decalogue and then you can begin to see the others gradually being added. However, those Commandments only are binding on Jews, whereas Gentiles who believe in Jesus have to live out Two Commandments: love of God and love of all humankind.

 

[metis]

Zechariah 14:16 Then it will come about that any who are left of all the nations that went against Jerusalem will go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to celebrate the Feast of Booths.

Do you know what and when the Feast of Booths actually is?

 

[metis]

That comment in one case was directed towards Peter, the "worthless shepherd" of Zechariah 14:17, who was the first shepherd/disciple chosen, but who will be the last in stature, who was chosen to fulfill Isaiah 22:15-25 & Zech 11, whereas Peter's followers, those who hang onto his words, will be "cut off". Matthew 19:27-30 was with respect to Peter asking what was in it for him.

HUH!!!

 

[2ndpillar]

HUH!!!

You need to read the chapter and verses quoted. Peter was chosen first, and Matthew was chosen last, yet Matthew's stature is first, as listed first, and Peter is listed at the end with respect to Matthew 19:27. As with respect to Isaiah 22:15-25, the heir of Peter is the pope, and both claim to have the keys of David, as Peter was put in charge of the "royal household" (Is 22:15 & 22 & 22-25), whereas anyone hanging on the heir will be "cut off", when the heir falls. As for Zechariah 11, it is with respect to 3 shepherds chosen by the LORD, Paul (Zech 11:10), Judas (Zech 11:12-13), and Peter (Zech 11:16-17), with two of them (Peter and Paul) taken to "pasture" the "flock (Christian church) doomed for slaughter".

Matthew 19: 27 Then Peter said to Him, “Behold, we have left everything and followed You; what then will there be for us?” 28And Jesus said to them, “Truly I say to you, that you who have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of Man will sit on His glorious throne, you also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 29“And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or farms for My name’s sake, will receive many times as much, and will inherit eternal life. 30“But many who are first will be last; and the last, first.

 

[2ndpillar]

Do you know what and when the Feast of Booths actually is?

It is the fall festival, with regards to the fall harvest, which is called the feast of Sukkot, to represent Israel leaving Egypt, and living in reed shelters (booths). With respect to Israel being taken out of the nations and reuniting with Judah (Ez 36 & 37), it is the feast for which the surviving nations/Gentiles will have to come Jerusalem to bow down to the king every year after Judah and Ephraim/Israel have been reunited on the land given to Jacob (Ez 36 & 37).

 

[2ndpillar]

You have switched the question as I was not referring to Judaism but the emergence of Christianity many centuries later.
So, please go back and answer what I asked and not deflect into something else.

"Christianity" is the "flock" chosen by the LORD, which is destined for "slaughter" (Zech 11:7). Its shepherds/staffs were Peter (Zech 11:16-17) and Paul (Zech 11:10). It was chosen to apparently make Israel jealous per Hosea 3, whereas Hosea bought an adulterous woman(Christian church) for the equivalence of 30 shekels of silver for "many days", until Israel returns.

Hosea 3:1 Then the LORD said to me, “Go again, love [a]a woman who is loved by her https://biblehub.com/nasb_/hosea/3.htm#fnhusband, yet is committing adultery, as the LORD loves the sons of Israel, though they turn to other gods and love [c]raisin cakes.” 2So I purchased her for myself for fifteen shekels of silver, and a [d]homer and a [e]lethech of barley. 3Then I said to her, “You shall live with me for many days. You shall not play the prostitute, nor shall you have another man; so I will also be toward you.” 4For the sons of Israel will live for many days without a king or leader, without sacrifice or memorial stone, and without ephod or [f]household idols. 5Afterward the sons of Israel will return and seek the LORD their God and David their king; and they will come trembling to the LORD and to His goodness in the last days.

 

[2ndpillar]

How moral is it for you to be so dishonest and have me saying something I have never said nor implied? Does your denomination teach you that this is somehow moral? My brand of Christianity says that this is unethical but then maybe yours doesn't?

I thought you were a Roman Catholic, then not, and then again a Roman Catholic, and then not so much. Your denomination or non denomination seems to follow the wind. Your real religion seems to be tied to your subjective "logic", or at least academic and religious indoctrinations which seem logical to you. I am thinking that the early Protestants, even up until the 20th century, thought your church was a whore of Babylon. I personally think that is improper logic, as a "harlot daughter" seems more logical (Revelation 17:5).

 

[metis]

You need to read the chapter and verses quoted. Peter was chosen first, and Matthew was chosen last, yet Matthew's stature is first, as listed first, and Peter is listed at the end with respect to Matthew 19:27.

Nope, as periodically it says "Peter and the others...". When Paul came, he said he needed to talk with Peter.

As for Zechariah 11, it is with respect to 3 shepherds chosen by the LORD, Paul (Zech 11:10), Judas (Zech 11:12-13), and Peter (Zech 11:16-17), with two of them (Peter and Paul) taken to "pasture" the "flock (Christian church) doomed for slaughter".

When cross-refencing, there often can be issue trying to apply what's in the OT with what's in the NT, especially when symbolisms are used.

Matthew 19: 27 Then Peter said to Him, “Behold, we have left everything and followed You; what then will there be for us?” 28And Jesus said to them, “Truly I say to you, that you who have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of Man will sit on His glorious throne, you also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 29“And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or farms for My name’s sake, will receive many times as much, and will inherit eternal life. 30“But many who are first will be last; and the last, first.

Except that Peter certainly wasn't last even according to what Jesus said. It makes me wonder why you're posting such drivel?

When Paul came to Jerusalem, he said he came to talk to Peter. Doesn't sound "last" to me.

 

[metis]

It is the fall festival, with regards to the fall harvest, which is called the feast of Sukkot, to represent Israel leaving Egypt, and living in reed shelters (booths). With respect to Israel being taken out of the nations and reuniting with Judah (Ez 36 & 37), it is the feast for which the surviving nations/Gentiles will have to come Jerusalem to bow down to the king every year after Judah and Ephraim/Israel have been reunited on the land given to Jacob (Ez 36 & 37).

Um, I've celebrated for many years. It is a Jewish festival for Jews; thus, it is in no way mandatory for Gentiles to celebrate it.

 

[Dimi95]

I am thinking that the early Protestants, even up until the 20th century, thought your church was a whore of Babylon. I personally think that is improper logic, as a "harlot daughter" seems more logical (Revelation 17:5).

With all your answers , i doubt that you know anything about logic

 

[metis]

"Christianity" is the "flock" chosen by the LORD, which is destined for "slaughter" (Zech 11:7). Its shepherds/staffs were Peter (Zech 11:16-17) and Paul (Zech 11:10). It was chosen to apparently make Israel jealous per Hosea 3, whereas Hosea bought an adulterous woman(Christian church) for the equivalence of 30 shekels of silver for "many days", until Israel returns.

Hosea 3:1 Then the LORD said to me, “Go again, love [a]a woman who is loved by her Hosea 3 New American Standard Biblehusband, yet is committing adultery, as the LORD loves the sons of Israel, though they turn to other gods and love [c]raisin cakes.” 2So I purchased her for myself for fifteen shekels of silver, and a [d]homer and a [e]lethech of barley. 3Then I said to her, “You shall live with me for many days. You shall not play the prostitute, nor shall you have another man; so I will also be toward you.” 4For the sons of Israel will live for many days without a king or leader, without sacrifice or memorial stone, and without ephod or [f]household idols. 5Afterward the sons of Israel will return and seek the LORD their God and David their king; and they will come trembling to the LORD and to His goodness in the last days.

Again, all you have done is to deflect to that which I didn't refer to. So, let me ask you a final time and I hope you don't do your shuffle again: If being a Christian is so vitally important for salvation, then why would God ignore all peoples prior to 2000 years ago and those living in areas where they wouldn't know Jesus from Sam Hill? Please don't deflect again.

 

[2ndpillar]

Nope, as periodically it says "Peter and the others...". When Paul came, he said he needed to talk with Peter.

Peter was a shepherd chosen by the LORD (Zechariah 11), which was done through the use of his right arm, the son of man. The LORD also chose Paul to be a shepherd of the "flock (Christian church) doomed for slaughter (Zech 11:7). Peter was always a chosen shepherd, it is just that he was a "worthless shepherd" according to Zechariah 11:17. According to Galatians, Paul talked with whom he noted as the "presumed pillars", Cephas, John, and James. Of course Paul also said that Peter (small rock) was to preach to the "circumcised", which is in contradiction to Acts 15:7.

 

[metis]

I thought you were a Roman Catholic, then not, and then again a Roman Catholic, and then not so much. Your denomination or non denomination seems to follow the wind.

Yes, I've switched, as I tend to go in the direction of what I think is more right than wrong. But by doing so, it helped me out a ton as Christianity split off from Judaism, thus knowing Judaism very much helps understanding Christianity better.

Your real religion seems to be tied to your subjective "logic", or at least academic and religious indoctrinations which seem logical to you

Definitely not "subjective" logic as my main education is in science.

I am thinking that the early Protestants, even up until the 20th century, thought your church was a whore of Babylon. I personally think that is improper logic, as a "harlot daughter" seems more logical (Revelation 17:5).

Yes, and I grew up in one of those churches, never to return. They rejected even basic science and were also very critical of any denomination except their own. Imagine the chagrin in my parents when I told them I was marrying an Italian and devout Catholic. However, they quicky came to love her and even attended mass with us periodically.

BTW, in two weeks, we'll have been married for 57 years.

 

[2ndpillar]

With all your answers , i doubt that you know anything about logic

Apparently, logic is based on progressive presumptions of fact. Like with a computer, junk premise in, means junk out.

 

[2ndpillar]

Definitely not "subjective" logic as my main education is in science.

I guess that puts you in the wheelhouse with Mr. Science, Dr. Fauci himself.

 

[Dimi95]

Peter was a shepherd chosen by the LORD (Zechariah 11), which was done through the use of his right arm, the son of man. The LORD also chose Paul to be a shepherd of the "flock (Christian church) doomed for slaughter (Zech 11:7).

False
There is only one shepherd
John 10:11
"I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep."

Peter was always a chosen shepherd, it is just that he was a "worthless shepherd" according to Zechariah 11:17. According to Galatians, Paul talked with whom he noted as the "presumed pillars", Cephas, John, and James. Of course Paul also said that Peter (small rock) was to preach to the "circumcised", which is in contradiction to Acts 15:7.

Oh my God

Galatians 2
'Then after fourteen years, I went up again to Jerusalem, this time with Barnabas. I took Titus along also.I went in response to a revelation and, meeting privately with those esteemed as leaders, I presented to them the gospel that I preach among the Gentiles. I wanted to be sure I was not running and had not been running my race in vain.Yet not even Titus, who was with me, was compelled to be circumcised, even though he was a Greek.This matter arose because some false believers had infiltrated our ranks to spy on the freedom we have in Christ Jesus and to make us slaves.We did not give in to them for a moment, so that the truth of the gospel might be preserved for you.
As for those who were held in high esteem—whatever they were makes no difference to me; God does not show favoritism—they added nothing to my message.On the contrary, they recognized that I had been entrusted with the task of preaching the gospel to the uncircumcised,just as Peter had been to the circumcised.For God, who was at work in Peter as an apostle to the circumcised, was also at work in me as an apostle to the Gentiles.James, Cephas and John, those esteemed as pillars, gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship when they recognized the grace given to me. They agreed that we should go to the Gentiles, and they to the circumcised.All they asked was that we should continue to remember the poor, the very thing I had been eager to do all along.

 

[metis]

Peter was a shepherd chosen by the LORD (Zechariah 11), which was done through the use of his right arm, the son of man. The LORD also chose Paul to be a shepherd of the "flock (Christian church) doomed for slaughter (Zech 11:7). Peter was always a chosen shepherd, it is just that he was a "worthless shepherd" according to Zechariah 11:17. According to Galatians, Paul talked with whom he noted as the "presumed pillars", Cephas, John, and James. Of course Paul also said that Peter (small rock) was to preach to the "circumcised", which is in contradiction to Acts 15:7.

Is your church teaching you such nonsense?

BTW, in Aramaic, the same word is used for both "rock" and "stone", and it's really quite illogical for one to not understand that Jesus was using a play on word's since "petra" relates to Petros [Greek], and Jesus made that clear in his introductory statement ["Thou are petra..."]. Why would he even use those words if he supposedly was not referring to Peter?

Anyhow, you love to deviate from what's being discussed, so maybe answer the question I've asked twice.

 

[metis]

I guess that puts you in the wheelhouse with Mr. Science, Dr. Fauci himself.

I'm remembering why I put you on "ignore" for so long as sarcasm and judgementalism seemingly are your m.o.

Anyhow, are you going to answer the question I've asked several times that you avoided or not? So far all I've seen from you is song & dance.