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Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
It was banned in Europe. Finland is in Europe, as well as Sweden is in Europe as well. And it was not provided to those under 30 is because of heart inflammation problems. Read your link.
LMAO! Alcohol is banned in the US!!!
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Okay, they were not "banned", they were considered "ineligible" to receive the vaccine. 6 of one a half a dozen for the other.
A ban would mean that no one could get it. If my front door is open 60% of the way (roughly 60% of the population could still get it) I am going to say that it is open. Especially in the winter!
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
The articles of impeachment were presented to the Senate, and the Senate acquitted Trump. The House can only present charges. The charges were supported by false charges presented by the Progressive Schiff, who was sanctioned by the Senate for lying. Schiff should have been impeached for lying to Congress and the American people and charged the 4 million dollar cost of the impeachment hearings. Schiff's supporters should be exiled to California, to live with their beloved Senator, and forced to drive EVs. As for other collaborators, such as the RINOs,workingwith the House committee, they are politically being eliminated. Apparently, other Democratic members on the House committee are in political peril as well. As for supporters of the committee, well, the sky hasn't fallen yet, but darkness is preceding their judgments (Joel 2:30-32).
You seriously do not know what you're talking about, which very much is par for the course with the MAGA Pubs.

Your choice: Trump or Jesus, as there's no logical nor Judeo-Christian moral way to support both.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
You seriously do not know what you're talking about, which very much is par for the course with the MAGA Pubs.

Your choice: Trump or Jesus, as there's no logical nor Judeo-Christian moral way to support both.
As you are a somewhat typical "Christian", but a little bit more full of themselves than normal, I will say I am not a follower of your Peter or Paul, and certainly do not claim to be a follower of their church, based on the prepositions that Peter is the rock the church is built on, and that Paul's false gospel of grace is something to even consider. You seem to conflate the "message" of the "enemy"/"devil" with the "message" of the "son of man". In my opinion a bad move (Mt 13:37-42). Keep in mind that the "tares" are the "wicked"/"lawless", who as tares, are weeds which only appear to be wheat, but they do not produce good fruit, and therefore are set aside to be burned. Much like the note that the wolves dress up as sheep.

Matthew 13:37And He said, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man, 38and the field is the world; and as for the good seed, these are the sons of the kingdom; and the tares are the sons of the evil one; 39and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the harvest is the end of the age; and the reapers are angels. 40“So just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age. 41“The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, 42and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
According to the judge, he was convicted at a civil trial, in New York, [unsupported, defamatory text deleted], by a preponderance of evidence, on the testimony of one person, for which Trump denied the charge.
Yep, and it looks like she's revving up to sue him again. I agree that it's basically her word against his, but most people with an opinion including two juries found her more credible than him. You might not like that, and I know Trump and his would-be heirs hate it, but that's how the cookie crumbles.
You arguing on a religious scriptural forum, you have failed to note that "scripture" requires at least two witnesses.
That's irrelevant. Courtroom standards prevail in court.
With regards to Karma, when your wife gets peeved at you, she can have you take her to California on vacation, and claim you hit her, and then divorce you and take half your money, on her sole witness. That sounds fair to me.
So much misinformation there. For starters, @SkepticThinker is a Canadian married woman. She doesn't have a wife or a desire to move to any American state. And I guess that you haven't heard of no fault divorce.
If you took the vaccine, I would expect that you will find unexpected consequences to that use.
Back atcha. If you've had Covid once or more while unvaccinated, you're at much greater risk than anybody who took the vaccine.

I may have had it once since being vaccinated. I had some respiratory illness and didn't get tested. I stayed home as I would if it were a cold or the flu, so I didn't need to know. But if I did, those viruses were attacked before they settled into my tissues. The total viral load was reduced, the duration of active viral replication was shortened, and the viruses that did get in were at war with my immune system immediately. The were coated with antibody already present, and my memory T-cells had been taught how to make more quickly.

I assume that you can't say the same, but at least you stood your ground. That's probably pretty valuable to you.
"Woke" means you think you are better than those living in fly over country, such as the deplorables. That your humanistic laws are better than God's laws, and that you can hold your nose higher than that of your neighbor.
Woke is what sociopaths call empathetic people. I actually hold most of those opinions you named, but that only makes me elitist at worst. I'm also "woke" as most MAGA mean the word, but not for holding those opinions.
The trials are not going well. Apparently the Democratic and RINOs on the committees erased evidence, and kept other evidence secret, which some of which is coming to light, and is undermining any case against Trump.
Your faith is impressive. Trump is a week away from his first criminal trial, and it's a slam-dunk for conviction. Financial crimes always are once they find the incriminating financial records, without which they don't indict even if they suspect fraud. His second criminal trial should start this summer after that one in about 2-3 months. There could be a verdict there as early as October. By then, the Supremes will have told Trump that he is not immune from prosecution, and Jack Smith. Trump's already signalling that he expects to go to prison. He posted this two days ago: "If this Partisan Hack wants to put me in the “clink” for speaking the open and obvious TRUTH, I will gladly become a Modern Day Nelson Mandela – It will be my GREAT HONOR."
This is a political trial. to try and prevent the election of Trump.
His trials stop zero people that want to vote for him from doing so.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Hey, I don't call myself a "Christian". Christians are followers of Peter and Paul, the two shepherds/staffs taken to "pasture" the "flock (Gentile church) doomed for slaughter" (Zechariah 11:7), under the supervision of the "beast with two horns like a lamb" (Rev 13), the Roman emperor Constantine, who set up the Roman church, with its "many" followers (Mt 7:12-15). As for what is to happen to "fellow human beings", well that would be the coming "day of the LORD" whereas the "survivors" will be few and far between, and whereas, people will seek death, and not find it (Rev 9:6). When you run out of money to pay for high-cost heating in Ontario, because of Progressive politicians, you may seek death yourself.
Heh... you must not be familiar with Ontario.

It would be wonderful if we had progressive politicians. Our premier is to Donald Trump what the Go-Bots are to the Transformers.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Yep, and it looks like she's revving up to sue him again. I agree that it's basically her word against his, but most people with an opinion including two juries found her more credible than him. You might not like that, and I know Trump and his would-be heirs hate it, but that's how the cookie crumbles.

That's irrelevant. Courtroom standards prevail in court.

So much misinformation there. For starters, @SkepticThinker is a Canadian married woman. She doesn't have a wife or a desire to move to any American state. And I guess that you haven't heard of no fault divorce.

Back atcha. If you've had Covid once or more while unvaccinated, you're at much greater risk than anybody who took the vaccine.

I may have had it once since being vaccinated. I had some respiratory illness and didn't get tested. I stayed home as I would if it were a cold or the flu, so I didn't need to know. But if I did, those viruses were attacked before they settled into my tissues. The total viral load was reduced, the duration of active viral replication was shortened, and the viruses that did get in were at war with my immune system immediately. The were coated with antibody already present, and my memory T-cells had been taught how to make more quickly.

I assume that you can't say the same, but at least you stood your ground. That's probably pretty valuable to you.

Woke is what sociopaths call empathetic people. I actually hold most of those opinions you named, but that only makes me elitist at worst. I'm also "woke" as most MAGA mean the word, but not for holding those opinions.

Your faith is impressive. Trump is a week away from his first criminal trial, and it's a slam-dunk for conviction. Financial crimes always are once they find the incriminating financial records, without which they don't indict even if they suspect fraud. His second criminal trial should start this summer after that one in about 2-3 months. There could be a verdict there as early as October. By then, the Supremes will have told Trump that he is not immune from prosecution, and Jack Smith. Trump's already signalling that he expects to go to prison. He posted this two days ago: "If this Partisan Hack wants to put me in the “clink” for speaking the open and obvious TRUTH, I will gladly become a Modern Day Nelson Mandela – It will be my GREAT HONOR."

His trials stop zero people that want to vote for him from doing so.
I only disagree with your last sentence. Even if convicted and in prison he can still run for President, and to quote the great Yogi Berra "It looks like deja vu all over again":



Lyndon Hermyle LaRouche Jr. (September 8, 1922 – February 12, 2019) was an American political activist who founded the LaRouche movement and its main organization, the National Caucus of Labor Committees (NCLC).[1][2][3][4] He was a prominent conspiracy theorist and perennial presidential candidate.[5][6] He began in far-left politics in the 1940s and later supported the Civil Rights movement, but in the 1970s he moved to the far-right.[4][5][6] His movement is sometimes described as, or likened to, a cult.[7][8][9] Convicted of fraud, he served five years in prison from 1989 to 1994.[5][6]

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LaRouche began his sentence in 1989, serving it at the Federal Medical Center in Rochester, Minnesota. From there he ran for Congress in 1990, seeking to represent the 10th District of Virginia, but he received less than one percent of the vote. He ran for president again in 1992 with James Bevel as his running mate, a civil rights activist who had represented the LaRouche movement in its pursuit of the Franklin child prostitution ring allegations. It was only the second-ever campaign for president from prison.[166] He received 26,334 votes, standing again as the "Economic Recovery" party.[167] For a time he shared a cell with televangelist Jim Bakker. Bakker later wrote of his astonishment at LaRouche's detailed knowledge of the Bible. According to Bakker, LaRouche received a daily intelligence report by mail, and at times had information about news events days before they happened. Bakker also wrote that LaRouche believed their cell was bugged. In Bakker's view, "to say LaRouche was a little paranoid would be like saying that the Titanic had a little leak."[168]


 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I only disagree with your last sentence.
It sounds like you agree. Who couldn't vote for LaRouche that wanted to?

My point is that Trump's claims of election interference are unfounded. The election will proceed with or without him, Trump is free to run in it, and voters are free to vote for him. His campaigning is impeded, but he has no right to campaign elsewhere when he has an obligation to be in a courtroom. He can give his speeches outside the courtroom when he has a break from the proceedings, or, from his home by Zoom in the evenings.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
As you are a somewhat typical "Christian", but a little bit more full of themselves than normal, I will say I am not a follower of your Peter or Paul, and certainly do not claim to be a follower of their church, based on the prepositions that Peter is the rock the church is built on, and that Paul's false gospel of grace is something to even consider. You seem to conflate the "message" of the "enemy"/"devil" with the "message" of the "son of man". In my opinion a bad move (Mt 13:37-42). Keep in mind that the "tares" are the "wicked"/"lawless", who as tares, are weeds which only appear to be wheat, but they do not produce good fruit, and therefore are set aside to be burned. Much like the note that the wolves dress up as sheep.

Matthew 13:37And He said, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man, 38and the field is the world; and as for the good seed, these are the sons of the kingdom; and the tares are the sons of the evil one; 39and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the harvest is the end of the age; and the reapers are angels. 40“So just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age. 41“The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, 42and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Oh, just a reminder that you did not actually respond to the question I asked, and they you diverted to the above slam.

IOW, I'm done with what you post because of your disingenuous tactics.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
A ban would mean that no one could get it. If my front door is open 60% of the way (roughly 60% of the population could still get it) I am going to say that it is open. Especially in the winter!
You can craft your words anyway you choose if you somehow think that is going to help you keep your sanity. People were banned (ineligible to receive Moderna shots) in Europe, specifically in Sweden and Finland. Sweden had the best outcomes, one reason being they didn't close down schools. On the other hand, the US forced all their military to receive covid shots against their will dire consequences for the troops. WATCH: 'Tyrants!' Shock video as military pounces on member refusing COVID shot | WND | by Around the Web
Oh, just a reminder that you did not actually respond to the question I asked, and they you diverted to the above slam.

IOW, I'm done with what you post because of your disingenuous tactics.
I wish I had a penny for every time you stated you were done with me. I will believe it when I see it. I don't think you can help yourself.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Fun fact: more than one religion exists.
Feel free to list a credible "religion" which does not require two witnesses. The Muslim's may require two women for each man witness, but they still require either two men, or one man and two women. As for the religion of Marx, well that final destination is communism, the realm of dictators, and the court is a sham anyway, but as in China, it does require "beyond a reasonable doubt", and leans on documentational evidence. The "sexual" case with Trump was a civil case, and the requirement was a "preponderance of evidence", in a prejudicial court. If that is how you roll, one can only hope someday you meet Mr. Karma.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Heh... you must not be familiar with Ontario.

It would be wonderful if we had progressive politicians. Our premier is to Donald Trump what the Go-Bots are to the Transformers.
The legal system of Ontario bows to the federal government, and their inflation is tied to federal policies. Now, as they are tied to the U.S. closer than to Quebec, they could always leave Canada, and join the U.S.. The average citizen might like that choice, but the elites in the cities, would probably demure. My solution to the federal energy policy, which is creating inflation, is to have the all the Progressives buy full EVs for actual production cost, with no rebates, and have to drive those anchors throughout the Canadian winters, without leaving Canada for Florida or Mexico.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Yep, and it looks like she's revving up to sue him again. I agree that it's basically her word against his, but most people with an opinion including two juries found her more credible than him. You might not like that, and I know Trump and his would-be heirs hate it, but that's how the cookie crumbles.
I think DJT stock went up to around $50 per share. I don't think Trump's heirs have too much to worry about, especially as they have talents to work with. Keep in mind that New Yorkers voted twice for AOC. Not that they know they even have a representative, but not knowing is enough to cast doubt on their abilities to remain focused on matters at hand. Although, the black community in New York is raising questions, but a little too late for their present circumstances. People often get what they ask for, and at a high cost.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Feel free to list a credible "religion" which does not require two witnesses. The Muslim's may require two women for each man witness, but they still require either two men, or one man and two women. As for the religion of Marx, well that final destination is communism, the realm of dictators, and the court is a sham anyway,
Communism isn't a religion. It's a political theory.
but as in China, it does require "beyond a reasonable doubt", and leans on documentational evidence. The "sexual" case with Trump was a civil case, and the requirement was a "preponderance of evidence", in a prejudicial court. If that is how you roll, one can only hope someday you meet Mr. Karma.

So you don't accept judgments handed down in civil courts?
Good luck with that.

I love how law and order suddenly goes out the window with MAGA people because ... Trump. :rolleyes:
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Communism isn't a religion. It's a political theory.
Communism is a belief system based on the false prophet Lenin and Marx, who profess heaven on earth if you follow their path. People kill each other to promote its rule, much like is done with the Muslims throughout history, when they have the means and opportunity. It has its book, and its false prophets, and it's crazy proponents, such as Stalin and Mao, who have killed millions in trying to spread its faith. Now it has its own corporate media to spread its false narratives.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
So you don't accept judgments handed down in civil courts?
Good luck with that.
Apparently civil courts in jurisdictions such as New York are a joke. The judge made judgment before the case was heard and refused testimony from the defense. One can only hope Karma finds the people who hold to such standards.
 
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