Subduction Zone
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Sorry, my mistake. It should have read "Christian or not,". I will fix it. As to " Do what?". There is no need for anyone to find anything true in the Bible to point out when you go against it.
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ElishaElijah
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Ok? Still not following what you’re trying to communicate. Why you even on this thread?
ElishaElijah
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I believe these Scriptures to be true:
”“You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, And besides Me there is no savior. I have declared and saved, I have proclaimed, And there was no foreign god among you; Therefore you are My witnesses,” Says the Lord, “that I am God. Indeed before the day was, I am He; And there is no one who can deliver out of My hand; I work, and who will reverse it?”“
Isaiah 43:10-13 NKJV
”“Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: ‘I am the First and I am the Last; Besides Me there is no God. And who can proclaim as I do? Then let him declare it and set it in order for Me, Since I appointed the ancient people. And the things that are coming and shall come, Let them show these to them. Do not fear, nor be afraid; Have I not told you from that time, and declared it? You are My witnesses. Is there a God besides Me? Indeed there is no other Rock; I know not one.’ ”“
Isaiah 44:6-8 NKJV
”“You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, And besides Me there is no savior. I have declared and saved, I have proclaimed, And there was no foreign god among you; Therefore you are My witnesses,” Says the Lord, “that I am God. Indeed before the day was, I am He; And there is no one who can deliver out of My hand; I work, and who will reverse it?”“
Isaiah 43:10-13 NKJV
”“Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: ‘I am the First and I am the Last; Besides Me there is no God. And who can proclaim as I do? Then let him declare it and set it in order for Me, Since I appointed the ancient people. And the things that are coming and shall come, Let them show these to them. Do not fear, nor be afraid; Have I not told you from that time, and declared it? You are My witnesses. Is there a God besides Me? Indeed there is no other Rock; I know not one.’ ”“
Isaiah 44:6-8 NKJV
Subduction Zone
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Why not? I used to be a Christian, that is why I can see the flaws of many Christians today. For example those Christians that call their own God a liar by demanding that Genesis is to be read literally. Or those that insist that Jesus was merely a man by claiming that he believed the Noah's Ark myth.
ElishaElijah
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Because seems like you’re here we to push your own unbelief and that’s not the purpose of this thread. I’m surprised you haven’t been cited for
it. Seems you just want to cause trouble and argue for the godless, faithless, hopeless view of life, seems miserable.
Subduction Zone
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But these are the same beliefs that I had as a Christian. This sort of bad reasoning on the part of some Christians is not why I became an atheist. I have not even mentioned the flaws in the Bible that led to that. And you really should not make false claims about others, even if you believe it. You should ask first at the very least. Bearing false witness against your neighbor is a no no, and if one makes a false claim about others, even if one believes it, one is breaking the Ninth by making false statements.
The fact that Genesis cannot be read literally does not refute Christianity. The fact that the Exodus never happened does not refute Christianity either.
ElishaElijah
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I didn’t make any false claims about people but if you’re not a Christian anymore then this thread wasn’t for you
Sgt. Pepper
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I see a lot of flaws among Christians too, since I'm no longer a Christian. I also see a lot of flaws in the Bible and Christian theology. This happened only after I took off the rose-colored glasses and was honest enough with myself to re-examine my Christian beliefs, especially my belief and faith in God.
ElishaElijah
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These aren’t facts either lol, I’ve just read those books literally.
Subduction Zone
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Yes you did. Do you need a quote? And no, nowhere does the thread limit itself to current Christians.
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
I just wanted to mention that I've been reading some of your earlier posts in this thread from the beginning, and I think your responses are very good.
ElishaElijah
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Yeah do the quote, and the question of the thread says it’s for people who consider themselves Christians so why would you comment? Are you the devils advocate?
Subduction Zone
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Then you just called your own God a liar. You do not seem to understand that the creationist view of taking Genesis literally is a minority view among Christians. Most accept the theory of evolution. When it comes to Christian scientists it is going to be well over 90% of them that do not take Genesis literally because they do not believe that God is a liar. They know that life is the product of evolution. They understand that the only way that Genesis could be true is if God lied by planting endless false evidence. That would be a way of lying.
If God can't lie then Genesis cannot be read literally. You can't have it both ways.
ElishaElijah
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Already been down this road with you so your memory is failing you now
Subduction Zone
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No, it is not my fault if you could not reason rationally then. I was hoping that you might have learned a little since that time. I know that you do not realize it but you are claiming that your God is a liar. Most Christians know better.
Okay, and here is where you made false claims about others:
" Seems you just want to cause trouble and argue for the godless, faithless, hopeless view of life, seems miserable."
You do not get to call others "hopeless". Of course the "cause trouble' part is false too. I am not advocating atheism. I am merely advocating that one should not claim that one's own God is a liar.
ElishaElijah
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All of this is false and the Bible says let God be true and every man a liar. So are you calling God a liar and you’re above Him now? That sounds like Luciferian doctrine.
ElishaElijah
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You yourself said when you die you die, that’s it, hopeless.
You said you were atheist, Godless and faithless
You said you were on oxygen and watch porn and nothing wrong with that, depraved.
These are things you told me about yourself and were quite proud of these things.
Subduction Zone
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You are quite wrong. And you did not even understand the verse that you mangled.
We could go over how we know that there was no flood. Yes, an omnipotent God could have flooded the Earth and then hid his dirty deeds in shame. But planting false evidence, and all of the evidence tells us that there was no flood, is a way of lying. To erven argue against this you first have to learn the concept of scientific evidence and a minimal amount of science. But you refuse to do that because that would mean the beliefs that were hammered into you as a child would be false.
Science does not refute God, It can only refute incorrect versions of God at the most.
Subduction Zone
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Nope, that is not hopeless. That is your error.
Godless yes, but what do you mean buy "faithless". Let's go with Mark Twains definition of faith, yes, by that I am faithless.
No, I did not say that I was on oxygen. I have watched porn and it is fact that there is nothing wrong with that. It is actually depraved to believe the opposite. Porn can be shown to do more good than harm quite easily.
Some are factual, I would not call that being "proud".
The problem is that you appear to be in one of more evil versions of Christianity that abuses their members with all sorts of false teachings.
ElishaElijah
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You mad bro? Living holy, walking and living in the Spirit, believing God and His Word you consider abuse and false teaching? Wow, you’re really messed up in your thinking.