By the way -- if you claim to be a Christian...

[Sgt. Pepper]

The problem is that you appear to be in one of more evil versions of Christianity that abuses their members with all sorts of false teachings.

I think your statement regarding more evil versions of Christianity abusing their members with false teachings accurately summarizes most of Christianity.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Nope, that is not hopeless. That is your error.

What’s your hope?

 

[YoursTrue]

But these are the same beliefs that I had as a Christian. This sort of bad reasoning on the part of some Christians is not why I became an atheist. I have not even mentioned the flaws in the Bible that led to that. And you really should not make false claims about others, even if you believe it. You should ask first at the very least. Bearing false witness against your neighbor is a no no, and if one makes a false claim about others, even if one believes it, one is breaking the Ninth by making false statements.

The fact that Genesis cannot be read literally does not refute Christianity. The fact that the Exodus never happened does not refute Christianity either.

Here is a very interesting article about the historicity of the Bible. The Exodus Is Not Fiction

 

[YoursTrue]

I think your statement regarding more evil versions of Christianity abusing their members with false teachings accurately summarizes most of Christianity.

Over the centuries certainly many evil things IMO have been done by what has been termed as Christianity.

 

[YoursTrue]

What’s your hope?

I'd like to hear that too.

 

[ElishaElijah]

. I have watched porn and it is fact that there is nothing wrong with that. It is actually depraved to believe the opposite. Porn can be shown to do more good than harm quite easily.

Now the Bible says this about your view:
”Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!“
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭5‬:‭20‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
”Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes, And prudent in their own sight!“
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭5‬:‭21‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

 

[Subduction Zone]

Here is a very interesting article about the historicity of the Bible. The Exodus Is Not Fiction

Why didn't he put his ideas through the process of peer review?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Now the Bible says this about your view:
”Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!“
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭5‬:‭20‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
”Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes, And prudent in their own sight!“
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭5‬:‭21‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

How is that about me? I never called anything evil good.

 

[YoursTrue]

Why didn't he put his ideas through the process of peer review?

Did you read the article? Then I'll try to answer your question.

 

[YoursTrue]

How is that about me? I never called anything evil good.

Which makes me wonder. What do you consider evil? And what do you consider good? I mean you keep quoting the ninth commandment, I suppose you think that's a good commandment? I don't know what you think about it at this point. So let us know.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Did you read the article? Then I'll try to answer your question.

He contradicts himself quite a bit. He tries to claim that only a small part of it is true but then relies on parts that would have been false to support it. It is a bit of a mess to say the least.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Which makes me wonder. What do you consider evil? And what do you consider good? I mean you keep quoting the ninth commandment, I suppose you think that's a good commandment? I don't know what you think about it at this point. So let us know.

To state it simply: Unneeded serious harm against another. Unneeded moderate harm is still wrong, but not evil. For example, slapping your next door neighbor for kicks is wrong. Killing him for kicks is evil.

Sometimes we do have to harm others. For example if I had a gun and my family was being attacked I would not be afraid to use it nor would that be wrong. Self defense can be justified. Wanton killing for no reason at all cannot be justified.

 

[YoursTrue]

He contradicts himself quite a bit. He tries to claim that only a small part of it is true but then relies on parts that would have been false to support it. It is a bit of a mess to say the least.

In order for me to understand what you're claiming, I would need to see which parts you say he contradicts himself.

 

[YoursTrue]

To state it simply: Unneeded serious harm against another. Unneeded moderate harm is still wrong, but not evil. For example, slapping your next door neighbor for kicks is wrong. Killing him for kicks is evil.

Sometimes we do have to harm others. For example if I had a gun and my family was being attacked I would not be afraid to use it nor would that be wrong. Self defense can be justified. Wanton killing for no reason at all cannot be justified.

Ah, unneeded serious harm first you talk about. Thanks at least for a definition. But then you say unneeded moderate harm is wrong but not evil. Then you continue saying that slapping for kicks is wrong but not evil, killing for kicks is evil. Wow. At this point I go no further with that. Have a good night. P.S. Just in case you're wondering or ready to ask or comment more -- maybe another time.

 

[Subduction Zone]

In order for me to understand what you're claiming, I would need to see which parts you say he contradicts himself.

Do you realize that he cut the number down to just the tribe of Levi?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Ah, unneeded serious harm first you talk about. Thanks at least for a definition. But then you say unneeded moderate harm is wrong but not evil. Then you continue saying that slapping for kicks is wrong but not evil, killing for kicks is evil. Wow. At this point I go no further with that. Have a good night. P.S. Just in case you're wondering or ready to ask or comment more -- maybe another time.

What do you think that a slap for fun is evil and that killing for kicks is only wrong? I was demonstrating how one should not overuse the word evil. It is for extreme cases.

 

[YoursTrue]

He contradicts himself quite a bit. He tries to claim that only a small part of it is true but then relies on parts that would have been false to support it. It is a bit of a mess to say the least.

Please elucidate where he contradicted himself. At any rate, I thank you for the conversation in general since it has been elucidating as to your ideas and views and at this point I think I will more or less say so long, if you care to answer where you think he contradicts himself exactly that will be ok, I'll look at your statement.

 

[YoursTrue]

What do you think that a slap for fun is evil and that killing for kicks is only wrong? I was demonstrating how one should not overuse the word evil. It is for extreme cases.

I have nothing against you in particular. My opinion of you and what you do or think is not important, but at this point I do not care to discuss with you about your ideas for the most part, others may do it if they care to, I'm not going to detail with you as to what you think is the difference between evil and slapping for kicks.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Please elucidate where he contradicted himself. At any rate, I thank you for the conversation in general since it has been elucidating as to your ideas and views and at this point I think I will more or less say so long, if you care to answer where you think he contradicts himself exactly that will be ok, I'll look at your statement.

He tried to claim that the Levites were the only tribe in Egypt, which would have been the only tribe in the Exodus, but remember, the Golden Calf incident was part of the Exodus. He brought back the rest of the Hebrews for that:

"The Levites were not people to whom one said “No.” Four different biblical texts connect them to violent acts. Levi is one of the brothers who massacre the city of Shechem for the violation of Dinah (Genesis 34), and he is also cursed for his general violence in Jacob’s deathbed testament (Genesis 49). The Levites slaughter the people associated with the golden calf incident, thus following Moses’ command to put them to the sword (Exodus 32:26–28). And in the poem at the end of the Torah (Deuteronomy 33), God is asked to “pierce Levi’s adversaries’ hips, and those who hate him, so they won’t get up.” These four texts come from four different authors. So basically everyone knew: You don’t mess with the Levites."

He does not have a clear narrative. He picks and chooses what he wants to believe instead of making one coherent explanation. This would be laughed at if someone tried to publish it in a journal.

 

[YoursTrue]

He contradicts himself quite a bit. He tries to claim that only a small part of it is true but then relies on parts that would have been false to support it. It is a bit of a mess to say the least.

I know you tried to answer how you think he contradicted himself. I don't see that he did. I may not understand or agree with everything he says, but where did he contradicts himself? You are not making yourself clear.
Since you tried to answer maybe you read the article, I will say I don't know why or if he did or did not offer his piece for peer review. In the meantime, however, can you or will you please clarify where you say he contradicted himself. I do not say I understand everything he said, but do not see where he contradicts himself and you have not shown where he contradicted himself.