By the way -- if you claim to be a Christian...

[ElishaElijah]

It's in a debate section.

Go ahead and comment, I’m just wondering why the complaint about preaching when answering the question of the thread.
I didn’t know I was obligated to go by a skeptics rules.

 

[ElishaElijah]

So we cannot answer if we were a Christian and which parts we believed then?

I haven’t seen you provide that answer

 

[Subduction Zone]

Why would I need to provide evidence? I’m speaking to my Father in Heaven and really like to keep that private, maybe that’s why I speak in language only He understands and one that builds me up.

No, that is not the meaning of that verse. You are spouting nonsense. Did you not read the article? Other non-Christian religions do the same thing.

The reason that you have to provide evidence is that you made a claim. If you cannot properly support that claim then it is no different from you admitting that you are wrong openly.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I haven’t seen you provide that answer

I did in another thread. I do not see the need to do it in the same thread done all over again.

 

[ElishaElijah]

No, that is not the meaning of that verse. You are spouting nonsense. Did you not read the article? Other non-Christian religions do the same thing.

The reason that you have to provide evidence is that you made a claim. If you cannot properly support that claim then it is no different from you admitting that you are wrong openly.

After I read right there people speaking ecstatically isn’t how I pray in the Spirit so no it doesn’t apply. I would question that as well, it’s weird and sounds more demonic than anything else.

 

[Subduction Zone]

After I read right there people speaking ecstatically isn’t how I pray in the Spirit so no it doesn’t apply. I would question that as well, it’s weird and sounds more demonic than anything else.

I doubt that. How can you show that your babbling is substantively different from theirs?

 

[ElishaElijah]

I doubt that. How can you show that your babbling is substantively different from theirs?

What do you believe this Scripture means?
”But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit,“
‭‭Jude‬ ‭1‬:‭20‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

 

[F1fan]

Go ahead and share but was wondering why the “preaching” comment.

I didn't make that comment. But it was a correct observation.

Sounds more like crying and complaining when Scripture is shared that I’ve found to be true.

No one cares what you believe. We care what is true. You seem aware that your beliefs can't be argued as true because you don't bother with any concern for fact and discourse.

I don’t know what to say other than I’m sorry you all had bad experiences.

You live bad experiences that we have learned to avoid.

I have too but that wasn’t from God and I see those situations differently.

Who told you a God exists, and why did you believe them?

 

[ElishaElijah]

No one cares what you believe. We care what is true. You seem aware that your beliefs can't be argued as true because you don't bother with any concern for fact and discourse.

@YoursTrue seems to care because of the post and question and if you don’t consider yourself a Christian, why you here?

 

[ElishaElijah]

Who told you a God exists, and why did you believe them

I believe everyone knows God exists, some people just have an elaborate scheme of denial that’s my opinion.

 

[ElishaElijah]

We care what is true.

Jesus said He was the Way, the Truth and the Life, why don’t you believe Him?

 

[F1fan]

@YoursTrue seems to care because of the post and question and if you don’t consider yourself a Christian, why you here?

To see fake Christians squirm.

I believe everyone knows God exists,

You believe this? So you must be aware that you could be mistaken.

some people just have an elaborate scheme of denial that’s my opinion.

Careful. What makes you think it isn't you? Let's note you have belief that has no basis in fact or reality, and is even contrary to knowledge. Atheists don't assume a God exists, and that is honest and noble.

 

[F1fan]

Jesus said He was the Way, the Truth and the Life, why don’t you believe Him?

No, there's a story in a book that has a character that is quoted as saying this. The Bible isn't factual.

 

[ElishaElijah]

You believe this? So you must be aware that you could be mistaken.

No

 

[ElishaElijah]

Careful. What makes you think it isn't you? Let's note you have belief that has no basis in fact or reality, and is even contrary to knowledge. Atheists don't assume a God exists, and that is honest and noble.

Thought you were Buddhist, like my uncle, he gave me some drugs one time told me to take them and go up on a mountain and chant to experience God which I found out later was only inviting demons to come. IMO

 

[F1fan]

No

Then why say it was belief? All belief is uncertain. You can't have it both ways and be honest.

But you act as if you are a God yourself. Above any human error.

Thought you were Buddhist

Theravada Buddhism is non-theistic.

 

[ElishaElijah]

But you act as if you are a God yourself

I’m not God, but I know Him, He adopted me into His family so I’m a son now and He is my Father.

 

[Kenny]

I don't think you have to go all the way to Westboro to find bad apples, but I do agree that is an example of bad fruit. Sometimes the bad apples aren't all that far away and not necessarily entirely bad either. Sometimes the bad just needs cut out and you have perfectly good apple.

That is very good and the Christian approach. Well balanced. Sometimes viewers forget that “Christians” are normal human beings with flaws that are in the process of changed. Making oneself a “Christian” doesn’t translate into “perfect"

In my view, they are getting the attention that is important. But it would be nice to see some praise for them too.

I think it has always sold. Now we just have the means to reach more people faster.

Yes, but not like before. Today, one event gets national attention whereas before it would probably be localized

 

[Kenny]

Well, Galatians 2:9 was written by Paul, such as him being his own witness. Acts was written by some unknown author, supposedly, Luke, who according to Luke 1:1, witnessed nothing, and would have to rely on his comrade Paul. 2 Peter 3 was written by some unknown author who wrote under the name of Peter, to give himself some weight. But on the other hand, the "worthless shepherd", Peter, (Zechariah 11:17) calling someone "brother" only reinforces Zechariah 11:7, whereas Peter and Paul were the two "staffs"/"shepherds", taken to "pasture the flock (Gentile church) doomed for slaughter". Per Matthew 7:24-27, the "house" (Gentile church), is about to "fall" for not heeding the message of Yeshua.

The “bold” accentuates what i believe is quite a biased approach of all that you wrote.

Acts 1 “ just as those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word delivered them to us,” - eyewitnesses are “eyewitnesses” and “from the beginning” didn’t include Paul as an “eyewitness"

 

[Kenny]

For me, some of those stories haven't passed the test. That doesn't change the message, but I don't think of them as historical accounts of events that took place.

The flood is one. We know what we know about the evidence of the flood and the age of the Earth from Christians that set out to accumulate that evidence demonstrating the flood. They were good, honest men and didn't ignore what they found or try to pretend it away.

And if it never happened like it is described, what does it really matter?

I find the flood believeable in as much as we take too much for granted (like the mountains were as high as they are today as one of many examples).

I think it does matter. If we hold on to that historical events didn’t take place, how can we be sure the message ever took place?