And it doesn't give you pause to think that the OT had animal sacrifice that lead to *human* sacrifice as a replacement?
Sorry, but a religion based on the shedding of blood, whether animal, human, or deity, seems ugly to me.
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And it doesn't give you pause to think that the OT had animal sacrifice that lead to *human* sacrifice as a replacement?
Sorry, but a religion based on the shedding of blood, whether animal, human, or deity, seems ugly to me.
ElishaElijah
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That’s you, it all makes sense to me.
”For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. For one will scarcely die for a righteous person—though perhaps for a good person one would dare even to die— but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God. For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life. More than that, we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation. Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned— for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law. Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come. But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man’s trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many. And the free gift is not like the result of that one man’s sin. For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brought justification. For if, because of one man’s trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ. Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men. For as by the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man’s obedience the many will be made righteous. Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.“
Romans 5:6-21 ESV
ElishaElijah
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The Parable of the Sower explains all the different soil which represent people’s heart and what happens as the result.
However people recieve the Word of God shows the heart of that person.
That’s why it is a spiritual truth
Of course I meant something else, but you didn't want to miss an opportunity to shill for your religion, did you?
But now that you bring it up, it makes sense that people who would be attracted to the cruel theology you describe would be so predisposed to commit the many, many atrocities done in Jesus's name throughout history.
When I see people reveling in the idea of Jesus suffering on the cross, I think of the Parable of the Weeds, not the Parable of the Sower.
ElishaElijah
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We talked about that and the Gospel is about God’s incredible love, forgiveness and mercy to us which enables us to do the same to our fellow man.
The atrocities done like you describe are not in line with the gospel which leads me to believe those people weren’t really Christians, how could they be?
ElishaElijah
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I think “shill” is the wrong word, but seen as you used that, no it doesn’t apply here.
I do think it’s important to address false information about Christianity though, which I did.
Since some of those committing atrocities were the ones that chose the books to be included in the Bible, that might be a hard thing to argue.
Hmmm...setting up a requirement for blood sacrifice, then deciding to become human to *be* that sacrifice, and then condemning anyone that doesn't see that as good....well, I can see why fear is the predominant emotion.
Let's also not forget the image of Jesus as a shepherd. Yes, he will go out to find that one little, lost, lamb. But what happens after that lamb grows up? Selling at market to be slaughtered? Eating it himself? Using it as the basis for his economic survival?
I can see how it might be wise to fear such a monster.
And, I have to admit, that is, to me, the scariest thing about religion: it makes horrors 'make sense' to the followers.
Love, forgiveness and mercy by who?
Depending on your views on the Trinity, one of two things is going on with the atonement:
1. Jesus expresses love and mercy by saving humanity from God. In this scenario, God is the villain.
2. God refuses to save humanity until he inflicts suffering on himself. In this scenario, the act is masochism, not mercy.
The Bible is filled with contradiction. You cherry pick the verses you care about; medieval kings picked the verses they cared about. I don't really see either of you as fundamentally less hypocritical.
And I've never met a Christian who behaved in line with the Gospel. I mean, even someone who eats on a regular basis or saves money to buy clothes isn't "in line with the gospel."
"Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering" - a saying that I think carries much more weight.
ElishaElijah
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Well, then again you”ll be proven wrong in the end.
McBell
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I would have thought that "sacrifice" was the most obvious....
I’m sure that is your belief. But you have proven me right in this very discussion. I find it sad you cannot see that.
ElishaElijah
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That parable for the lost lamb is a word picture for people. Why can’t I do ignore for some people on here? Sorry I can’t so will just let you know we’ve talked enough now, have a great day!
You can’t ignore mods.
The field of Psychology is the study of the soul
Of course. But we yet have understood the conscience of man. It is part of the soul
Conscience is non-material
I would classify that at two people looking at the same evidence and coming to a different conclusion. Having been exposed to “spirits” and its influence in the material, I would disagree