By the way -- if you claim to be a Christian...

[Trailblazer]

Your constitution doesn't give a fundamental right to carry guns.

Which is a very good thing, in my opinion. Nobody needs to carry a gun or even own one, except for special circumstances.

 

[2ndpillar]

An "imperishable body" is a "spiritual body" that will never perish.
Flesh perishes so a physical body is perishable. Everyone knows that since it is provable by science.

You are forgetting a "new heaven and a new earth", whereas the sun is not necessary for light in Jerusalem. Spirit is not flesh, and therefore not a "body". When one dies, their spirit returns to God, or remains as a demon spirit on earth. The Spirit never dies. Adam was born imperishable, yet sinned, and then died. When the righteous are raised from the dead, at the start of the millennium, they will rule for 1000 years, and not die. They will be a combination of body and Spirit. Paul has led you down the rabbit hole of the man behind the screen.

 

[2ndpillar]

Which is a very good thing, in my opinion. Nobody needs to carry a gun or even own one, except for special circumstances.

No one needs a gun, until the moment they need one. The murder rates are highest in Liberal cities where guns are most tightly restricted, such as Chicago, plus where the Progressive prosecutors let the felons out of prison, to illegally purchase guns, making the illegally purchased guns of higher value when no one else has guns. Go to the UK, and deal with being killed with knifes by your friendly neighbors. As for your opinion, I have hopefully let you know how much I regard your every thought.

 

[Trailblazer]

You are forgetting a "new heaven and a new earth", whereas the sun is not necessary for light in Jerusalem.

Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

That language is figurative, not literal. It is not about physical light coming from the sun and moon, it is about spiritual light.
The glory of God was Baha'u'llah that gave the spiritual light.

Spirit is not flesh, and therefore not a "body". When one dies, their spirit returns to God, or remains as a demon spirit on earth. The Spirit never dies

That is correct. When one dies, their spirit (the soul) returns to God and takes on another form, a spiritual body. The soul (spirit) never dies.

Adam was born imperishable, yet sinned, and then died.

No, no human was ever born imperishable because the human body was always and will ever remain perishable.
Adam did not die physically because he sinner. Adam dies spiritually because he sinned. Adam would have died physically regardless of whether he had sinned.

When the righteous are raised from the dead, at the start of the millennium, they will rule for 1000 years, and not die. They will be a combination of body and Spirit. Paul has led you down the rabbit hole of the man behind the screen.

There is no such thing as a 'combination body' that is part flesh and part spirit.
Paul was wrong about a lot of things but Paul was spot in about the kind of body we will have after we die physically.

1 Corinthians 15
New Living Translation

40 There are also bodies in the heavens and bodies on the earth. The glory of the heavenly bodies is different from the glory of the earthly bodies.

42 It is the same way with the resurrection of the dead. Our earthly bodies are planted in the ground when we die, but they will be raised to live forever. 43 Our bodies are buried in brokenness, but they will be raised in glory. They are buried in weakness, but they will be raised in strength. 44 They are buried as natural human bodies, but they will be raised as spiritual bodies. For just as there are natural bodies, there are also spiritual bodies.

The combo-body that is both physical and spiritual is an invention of Christianity. No such body exists according to the Bible - not anywhere.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Which is a very good thing, in my opinion. Nobody needs to carry a gun or even own one, except for special circumstances.

Agreed. I've never had any interest in owning a gun.
And I've been in some pretty hairy situations.

 

[Trailblazer]

No one needs a gun, until the moment they need one. The murder rates are highest in Liberal cities where guns are most tightly restricted, such as Chicago,

That is a moot point. Compare/contrast gun laws in Japan to gun laws in the United States.

Japan has almost completely eliminated gun deaths — here's how

• Japan is a country of more than 127 million people, but it rarely sees more than 10 gun deaths a year.
• Culture is one reason for the low rate, but gun control is a major one, too.
• Japan has a long list of tests that applicants must pass before gaining access to a small pool of guns.

Japan has almost completely eliminated gun deaths — here's how

The weapons law of Japan begins by stating "No one shall possess a firearm or firearms or a sword or swords", and very few exceptions are allowed. Citizens are permitted to possess firearms for hunting and sport shooting, but only after submitting to a lengthy licensing procedure.

Overview of gun laws by nation - Wikipedia

“The only guns that Japanese citizens can legally buy and use are shotguns and air rifles, and it’s not easy to do. The process is detailed in David Kopel’s landmark study on Japanese gun control, published in the 1993 Asia Pacific Law Review, still cited as current. (Kopel, no left-wing loony, is a member of the National Rifle Association and once wrote in National Review that looser gun control laws could have stopped Adolf Hitler.)

To get a gun in Japan, first, you have to attend an all-day class and pass a written test, which are held only once per month. You also must take and pass a shooting range class. Then, head over to a hospital for a mental test and drug test (Japan is unusual in that potential gun owners must affirmatively prove their mental fitness), which you’ll file with the police. Finally, pass a rigorous background check for any criminal record or association with criminal or extremist groups, and you will be the proud new owner of your shotgun or air rifle. Just don’t forget to provide police with documentation on the specific location of the gun in your home, as well as the ammo, both of which must be locked and stored separately. And remember to have the police inspect the gun once per year and to re-take the class and exam every three years.

Even the most basic framework of Japan’s approach to gun ownership is almost the polar opposite of America’s. U.S. gun law begins with the second amendment's affirmation of the “right of the people to keep and bear arms” and narrows it down from there. Japanese law, however, starts with the 1958 act stating that “No person shall possess a firearm or firearms or a sword or swords,” later adding a few exceptions. In other words, American law is designed to enshrine access to guns, while Japan starts with the premise of forbidding it.”

From: A Land Without Guns: How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths

This policy is very similar to the Laws of the Baha’i Faith:

173. It hath been forbidden you to carry arms unless essential # 159

Bahá’u’lláh confirms an injunction contained in the Bayán which makes it unlawful to carry arms, unless it is necessary to do so. With regard to circumstances under which the bearing of arms might be “essential” for an individual, ‘Abdu’l-Bahá gives permission to a believer for self-protection in a dangerous environment. Shoghi Effendi in a letter written on his behalf has also indicated that, in an emergency, when there is no legal force at hand to appeal to, a Bahá’í is justified in defending his life. There are a number of other situations in which weapons are needed and can be legitimately used; for instance, in countries where people hunt for their food and clothing, and in such sports as archery, marksmanship, and fencing.
The Kitáb-i-Aqdas, pp. 240-241

 

[2ndpillar]

That is a moot point. Compare/contrast gun laws in Japan to gun laws in the United States.

Japan has almost completely eliminated gun deaths — here's how

• Japan is a country of more than 127 million people, but it rarely sees more than 10 gun deaths a year.
• Culture is one reason for the low rate, but gun control is a major one, too.
• Japan has a long list of tests that applicants must pass before gaining access to a small pool of guns.

Japan has almost completely eliminated gun deaths — here's how

The weapons law of Japan begins by stating "No one shall possess a firearm or firearms or a sword or swords", and very few exceptions are allowed. Citizens are permitted to possess firearms for hunting and sport shooting, but only after submitting to a lengthy licensing procedure.

Overview of gun laws by nation - Wikipedia

“The only guns that Japanese citizens can legally buy and use are shotguns and air rifles, and it’s not easy to do. The process is detailed in David Kopel’s landmark study on Japanese gun control, published in the 1993 Asia Pacific Law Review, still cited as current. (Kopel, no left-wing loony, is a member of the National Rifle Association and once wrote in National Review that looser gun control laws could have stopped Adolf Hitler.)

To get a gun in Japan, first, you have to attend an all-day class and pass a written test, which are held only once per month. You also must take and pass a shooting range class. Then, head over to a hospital for a mental test and drug test (Japan is unusual in that potential gun owners must affirmatively prove their mental fitness), which you’ll file with the police. Finally, pass a rigorous background check for any criminal record or association with criminal or extremist groups, and you will be the proud new owner of your shotgun or air rifle. Just don’t forget to provide police with documentation on the specific location of the gun in your home, as well as the ammo, both of which must be locked and stored separately. And remember to have the police inspect the gun once per year and to re-take the class and exam every three years.

Even the most basic framework of Japan’s approach to gun ownership is almost the polar opposite of America’s. U.S. gun law begins with the second amendment's affirmation of the “right of the people to keep and bear arms” and narrows it down from there. Japanese law, however, starts with the 1958 act stating that “No person shall possess a firearm or firearms or a sword or swords,” later adding a few exceptions. In other words, American law is designed to enshrine access to guns, while Japan starts with the premise of forbidding it.”

From: A Land Without Guns: How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths

This policy is very similar to the Laws of the Baha’i Faith:

173. It hath been forbidden you to carry arms unless essential # 159

Bahá’u’lláh confirms an injunction contained in the Bayán which makes it unlawful to carry arms, unless it is necessary to do so. With regard to circumstances under which the bearing of arms might be “essential” for an individual, ‘Abdu’l-Bahá gives permission to a believer for self-protection in a dangerous environment. Shoghi Effendi in a letter written on his behalf has also indicated that, in an emergency, when there is no legal force at hand to appeal to, a Bahá’í is justified in defending his life. There are a number of other situations in which weapons are needed and can be legitimately used; for instance, in countries where people hunt for their food and clothing, and in such sports as archery, marksmanship, and fencing.
The Kitáb-i-Aqdas, pp. 240-241

Why don't you move to Japan. Their culture is the prime reason for low deaths from weapons/arms. Japanese will kill themselves before bringing shame on their families. As for Baha, his regulation on weapons/arms is in direct contradiction to the supposed message of Yeshua, which was to go out and buy a sword. Luke 22:36 Jesus says, "Let the one who has no sword sell his cloak and buy one." Your Koran says that "Jesus" was a prophet of Allah. It didn't mention Baha.

 

[John53]

Must have been a mink cloak if you could afford to buy a sword with it!

 

[YoursTrue]

The 'truth' of Christianity does not rest in a 'book' but in a 'person'.

Oh, so do you believe Christ existed as written?

 

[Trailblazer]

Why don't you move to Japan. Their culture is the prime reason for low deaths from weapons/arms. Japanese will kill themselves before bringing shame on their families.

No, the culture is not the only reason for the low incidence of gun deaths. It is also the gun laws.

As for Baha, his regulation on weapons/arms is in direct contradiction to the supposed message of Yeshua, which was to go out and buy a sword. Luke 22:36 Jesus says, "Let the one who has no sword sell his cloak and buy one."

What Jesus said about such things is no longer applicable since the Christian dispensation has been abrogated by the Revelation of Baha'u'llah, so the divine ordering of the affairs of the world for the present age is through the Baha'u'llah, not through Jesus.

Dispensation

1. the divine ordering of the affairs of the world.
2. an appointment, arrangement, or favor, as by God.
3. a divinely appointed order or age:

e.g. the old Mosaic, or Jewish, dispensation; the new gospel, or Christian, dispensation.

Definition of dispensation | Dictionary.com

Your Koran says that "Jesus" was a prophet of Allah. It didn't mention Baha.

I am not a Muslim so the Koran is not "my Koran." The Koran did not prophesize the coming of Baha'u'llah, the Bible did.

 

[2ndpillar]

Agreed. I've never had any interest in owning a gun.
And I've been in some pretty hairy situations.

It is better for "many" to not have a weapon of any kind. That way they don't kill themselves or others. On the other hand, the US army spent time and money on making me a trained killer, with many weapons, and by hand to hand, yet I never had to kill anyone. It is nice to have the ability if the circumstance arose. While in Kenya, I was robbed by two guy with a sword. The punishment for robbery in Kenya at the time was death. They were much more afraid than myself. I talked them into giving my wallet back after they took out the money. I had three guys break into my house, and I had a gun within easy reach, but two guys fled and I just strong armed the last guy standing. Having a gun does not mean I need to kill the guy. The guy went to jail and maybe he will think twice next time. On the other hand, if they came armed into my house, they might not be able to break into anyone else's house. I would use the force required to get the job done, preferably, as in the case cited, by hand to hand combat. As for the 2nd amendment, and the "security of a free state", that would include the security of my house, which is part of the state. I live in a castle law state. If one breaks into your house, they are a dead man walking per the owner's choice. No one wants to kill an idiot that breaks into someone's house, but the option might make the miscreant think twice.

2nd amendment: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

 

[2ndpillar]

No, the culture is not the only reason for the low incidence of gun deaths. It is also the gun laws.

What Jesus said about such things is no longer applicable since the Christian dispensation has been abrogated by the Revelation of Baha'u'llah, so the divine ordering of the affairs of the world for the present age is through the Baha'u'llah, not through Jesus.

Dispensation

1. the divine ordering of the affairs of the world.
2. an appointment, arrangement, or favor, as by God.
3. a divinely appointed order or age:

e.g. the old Mosaic, or Jewish, dispensation; the new gospel, or Christian, dispensation.

Definition of dispensation | Dictionary.com

I am not a Muslim so the Koran is not "my Koran." The Koran did not prophesize the coming of Baha'u'llah, the Bible did.

Baha was originally a Muslim, who was rejected by other Muslims. And the "bible" did not prophesize the coming of Baha. The "bible", the "book of the people" was supposedly given credence by way of the Koran. Your "dispensation" is a caricature of the "Christian" faith, based on the false gospel of "grace". You are pushing a boulder up a hill. That is the hell of Sisyphus.

 

[2ndpillar]

“The only guns that Japanese citizens can legally buy and use are shotguns and air rifles

The shotguns used in WWI were deemed by the Germans to be inhuman and requested that they be banned, because they were so affective in killing people. Not that I don't have a shotgun, but they can be loaded sequentially, whereas they can first shoot salt, small bird shot, medium bird shot, large shot, and then slugs. You can pick your poison. You can kill a bear with a shotgun or kill a duck and still eat it. The end of the road for the Progressives, is to eat bugs, or beans, which probably produces too much methane, for the EPA to allow. At that time, you might want to have a shotgun.

Did Germany try to ban shotguns in WW1? | [October Updated]

Short Article: Yes, Germany attempted to ban shotguns during World War 1. The German government believed that shotguns were inhumane due to their widespread use in close-quarters trench warfare, where the devastating effects of shotgun blasts were especially lethal. Contents Related FAQs: 1. Why...

thegunzone.com

 

[Trailblazer]

Baha was originally a Muslim, who was rejected by other Muslims.

So what? Jesus was a Jew who was rejected by the Jewish people, and still is.

And the "bible" did not prophesize the coming of Baha. The "bible", the "book of the people" was supposedly given credence by way of the Koran. Your "dispensation" is a caricature of the "Christian" faith, based on the false gospel of "grace". You are pushing a boulder up a hill. That is the hell of Sisyphus.

I don't have a boulder to push since God already pushed that boulder when He sent Baha'u'llah.

Baha'u'llah fulfilled all the Bible prophecies for the return of Christ.
All that is explained in the book Thief in the Night by William Sears.

Some of the prophecies and how they were fulfilled by Baha'u'llah are depicted in the following 10 minute video.

 

[jimb]

Oh, so do you believe Christ existed as written?

Why do you put Christ in the past tense? He has overcome death and is at the right hand of God.

 

[YoursTrue]

Why do you put Christ in the past tense? He has overcome death and is at the right hand of God.

Try to understand. I said as written. When he came to the earth born to Mary. And yes I agree he is now alive.

 

[SkepticThinker]

You are colluding with others to ignore post, which is a combined effort of censorship. Not that you will be successful, as you and the others keep replying to my post.

And yet here you are, still posting whatever you like.

I told you why I've stop responding to you. To refresh, it's because you don't actually address any of my points, you selectively respond to single sentences from my posts thus avoiding my points for the most part, and I'll add one more ... you engage in Gish Galloping.

You claim the 5th amendment (right to remain silent) with regards to your speech but are unable to follow through.

No idea what you're talking about. I didn't claim any 5th amendment.

You act like sovereign citizens, who make their own laws, and renounce the laws of other entities. If you were a U.S. citizen. you would have protected free speech, but as you live in Canada, you have no such protection.

I do, have free speech rights, thank you. I also have full bodily autonomy here.

If you cross swords with Canada, they can freeze your bank account.

What are you talking about?

Your freedoms are limited, and seem to be decreasing every moment,

As I said before, I enjoy more freedoms than many Americans currently do, unfortunately.

due to Marxist Progressives supporting Trudeau.

LOL Please don't project your American brand of fear mongering onto us.

As for being able to post, well, I get put on notice regularly, but after years in exile, they generally lift the bans. As for being put on the "ignore" list, Metis is the only one who ever followed through, yet here he is today, judging my judgments.

Who's "they?"

 

[pearl]

Oh, so do you believe Christ existed as written?

As written?, no. The writers used all the writing skills developed over the centuries, including myth, folklore, parables etc,

 

[Trailblazer]

Why do you put Christ in the past tense? He has overcome death and is at the right hand of God.

Jesus did not overcome physical death, so when we talk about who Jesus WAS, we are talking about who Jesus was when He walked the earth.
Jesus is at the right hand of God in heaven, but not in a physical body. There are no physical bodies in heaven, only spiritual bodies.

1 Corinthians 15
New Living Translation

40 There are also bodies in the heavens and bodies on the earth. The glory of the heavenly bodies is different from the glory of the earthly bodies. 41 The sun has one kind of glory, while the moon and stars each have another kind. And even the stars differ from each other in their glory.

42 It is the same way with the resurrection of the dead. Our earthly bodies are planted in the ground when we die, but they will be raised to live forever. 43 Our bodies are buried in brokenness, but they will be raised in glory. They are buried in weakness, but they will be raised in strength. 44 They are buried as natural human bodies, but they will be raised as spiritual bodies. For just as there are natural bodies, there are also spiritual bodies.

50 What I am saying, dear brothers and sisters, is that our physical bodies cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. These dying bodies cannot inherit what will last forever.

 

[2ndpillar]

I do, have free speech rights, thank you. I also have full bodily autonomy here.

Actually, you don't have free speech rights. If you read the fine print, your free speech has "reasonable" limitations that can be imposed by the government. There is no "reasonable" government of Canada at this time. Even with Trudeau vanquished, you will still have his supporters living in the woodwork.

Freedom of expression in Canada is protected as a "fundamental freedom" by section 2 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms; however, in practice the Charter permits the government to enforce "reasonable" limits censoring speech.