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Bye, Bye Theresa

Altfish

Veteran Member
Apologize to whom?

  • Payment to Brussels, net of rebate and money returned to the UK: £9.4 billion a year, or £181 million a week.
  • Payment to Brussels, net of rebate: £13.9 billion a year, or £267 million a week.
  • Gross payment to Brussels: £18.9 billion a year, or £363 million a week.
As far as the average voter is concerned, £181 million and £350 million both sound like a lot of money. Either would get the point across, with the same force. So why did Boris use the gross figure, when the convention is to use the net figure? Simple: it drives the other side quite loopy. They threaten to sue. And as they explode with anger, the discussion turns to how much of British money is spent to the EU – a conversation subject that suits Brexiteers. This tactic worked so effectively in the referendum because their opponents rose to the bait every time.

Was the £350m figure misleading? Yes, if it was spoken of as the net figure. Would the lower figure have been fairer, and got the point across just as well? Of course. But it would not have been as effective as a campaigning tool, because it would have generated less fuss.

In elections, politicians frequently use valid-but-misleading figures, seeing if the other side will make a fuss and take the bait. It’s seen as rough and tumble of democracy: if one side misleads, the other side can call them liars and voters decide. In 2005, Gordon Brown falsely accused the Tories of planning to ‘cut’ £35 billion a year from services. Here’s the poster.
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A young Nick Robinson was at the poster launch, for ITV. and made his name by pointing out that this is a lie (rather than an exaggeration). The Tories were planning to increase spending, just not by as much as Labour. Brown thought that, given he thought he’d outspend the Tories by £35bn, he could then say they’d cut. To compound the lie, Labour said this was “the equivalent of sacking every nurse, every teacher and every doctor’ in the country. As Robinson said: “you can’t cut money that hasn’t been spent”. But this is an election: a more competent Tory party could have exposed the lie. Interestingly, Blair used the Vote Leave logic: a row over a figure is good for hype. Blair later told Robinson that he was glad about the fuss, as it kept attention on the subject of Tory cuts.
When you copy something verbatum off a right wing blog at least be courteous enough to give it credit.

The £350m line on the Brexit bus was wrong. The real figure is higher | Coffee House

Now that couldn't be the magazine that Boris once edited, could it?
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
When you copy something verbatum off a right wing blog at least be courteous enough to give it credit.

The £350m line on the Brexit bus was wrong. The real figure is higher | Coffee House

Now that couldn't be the magazine that Boris once edited, could it?

I guessed that you would have the capability to research information on your own and you have proved me right. You just need to have a little more confidence in your capabilities.

From the same source - Operation Stop Boris is backfiring. Again | Coffee House

What will happen next in the prosecution of Boris Johnson? | Coffee House

It is not just Boris that they want to nobble - Stop Boris? These days it’s Operation Stop Raab | Coffee House
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
I guessed that you would have the capability to research information on your own and you have proved me right. You just need to have a little more confidence in your capabilities.

From the same source - Operation Stop Boris is backfiring. Again | Coffee House

What will happen next in the prosecution of Boris Johnson? | Coffee House

It is not just Boris that they want to nobble - Stop Boris? These days it’s Operation Stop Raab | Coffee House
AKA The Bubble
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
How much money has the troublemaker raised by crowd funding. Apparently, he has used some of it for personal gain but there is plenty left for the lawyers.

Was Shami a lawyer?
This random whataboutery does not even attempt to address my question, about why you think the judiciary is corrupt, due to money the lawyers earn in court cases.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
I guessed that you would have the capability to research information on your own and you have proved me right. You just need to have a little more confidence in your capabilities.

From the same source - Operation Stop Boris is backfiring. Again | Coffee House

What will happen next in the prosecution of Boris Johnson? | Coffee House

It is not just Boris that they want to nobble - Stop Boris? These days it’s Operation Stop Raab | Coffee House
There are plenty of similar information with the opposite views of Boris...

If you want to discuss 'corrupt' you need look no further than Boris.
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
There are plenty of similar information with the opposite views of Boris...

If you want to discuss 'corrupt' you need look no further than Boris.

My word, you have found a popular video there. Published on 25 Feb 2016, 1,786 views, 16 likes and 2 dislikes. The words barrel, bottom and scraping come to mind.

BTW, I don’t know why you keep on shoving Boris down my neck because I am no longer a Tory supporter. I thought I had made that perfectly clear.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
My word, you have found a popular video there. Published on 25 Feb 2016, 1,786 views, 16 likes and 2 dislikes. The words barrel, bottom and scraping come to mind.

BTW, I don’t know why you keep on shoving Boris down my neck because I am no longer a Tory supporter. I thought I had made that perfectly clear.
Popularity doesn't mean a thing. The Sun is the most read UK newspaper.

You keep throwing Corbyn at me!
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
More whataboutery.

Steve Yobbinson is a real yob, that is for sure.

We are supposed to look up to our political leaders because they call themselves Honourable and even Right Honourable. They are the ones setting the standards for us common folk to follow.

John being leftwing no doubt gives him special privileges in our dualistic society.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
We are supposed to look up to our political leaders because they call themselves Honourable and even Right Honourable. They are the ones setting the standards for us common folk to follow.

John being leftwing no doubt gives him special privileges in our dualistic society.

What has this to do with Stephen Yaxley-Lennon being a violent yob?
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
What has this to do with Stephen Yaxley-Lennon being a violent yob?

I believe our Prime Minister at the time defended Prescott by saying something like, “That’s just John”.

Tommy has learned to defend himself because he has discovered that our police force will not defend him. Instead, they led a violent mob to one of Tommy’s political hustings.

There is a report about the incident here - Group of friends with man KO'd likely 'Planned' Provocation
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
I hadn't realised that despite no longer being Leader of the Tories; she remains as PM until the Tories get their act together and select a replacement.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
I believe our Prime Minister at the time defended Prescott by saying something like, “That’s just John”.

Tommy has learned to defend himself because he has discovered that our police force will not defend him. Instead, they led a violent mob to one of Tommy’s political hustings.

There is a report about the incident here - Group of friends with man KO'd likely 'Planned' Provocation
The difference is, Mr2% has got form.
 
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