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"Cain" the first murderer

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Awoon

Well-Known Member
Yep Cain murdered his brother. Did God comdemn him to Hell for eternity?

Nope, God just ran him out of his homeland to another where he found a wife and built a civilization.:eek:
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
I don't feel like waiting for the other stinky shoe to drop here: What's your point?
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Awoon said:
Yep Cain murdered his brother. Did God comdemn him to Hell for eternity?
Nope, God just ran him out of his homeland to another where he found a wife and built a civilization.:eek:
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Adam and Eve are not covered by Jesus ransom sacrifice for sins.
Cain was born 'after' A&E sinned.
Cain, like us, inherited human imperfection from his then imperfect father Adam.

A&E were not condemned to hell [sheol] they have no resurrection hope.
The 'biblical hell' [sheol] is just the common grave of mankind.
It is the 'pagan hell myth' that burns forever.
Except for those of Matthew [12v32], all the rest of mankind will be resurrected from the Bible's hell [gravedom] where the dead sleep the deep sleep of death. [Ecc 9v5;Psalm 6v5;13v3;115v17;146v4;Daniel 12vs2,13]
Just as Jesus was resurrected from hell [Acts 2vs27,31,32; Psalm 16v10],
everyone in the biblical hell will be 'delivered up' [resurrected] to either life in heaven, or resurrected to life on earth during Jesus 1000-year reign over earth. [Rev 20 vs 6,13,14]
 
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Awoon

Well-Known Member
URAVIP2ME said:
Adam and Eve are not covered by Jesus ransom sacrifice for sins.
Cain was born 'after' A&E sinned.
Cain, like us, inherited human imperfection from his then imperfect father Adam.

A&E were not condemned to hell [sheol] they have no resurrection hope.
The 'biblical hell' [sheol] is just the common grave of mankind.
It is the 'pagan hell myth' that burns forever.
Except for those of Matthew [12v32], all the rest of mankind will be resurrected from the Bible's hell [gravedom] where the dead sleep the deep sleep of death. [Ecc 9v5;Psalm 6v5;13v3;115v17;146v4;Daniel 12vs2,13]
Just as Jesus was resurrected from hell [Acts 2vs27,31,32; Psalm 16v10],
everyone in the biblical hell will be 'delivered up' [resurrected] to either life in heaven, or resurrected to life on earth during Jesus 1000-year reign over earth. [Rev 20 vs 6,13,14]
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Cain was kicked out of his homeland by God. Thast was his penalty for killing his brother. Thats all. God didnt condemn him to any Hell for eternity.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
Awoon said:
Cain was kicked out of his homeland by God. God didnt condemn him to any Hell for eternity.
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God made s'mores with Cain - and they drank Bud Light.

God didn't like Abel much anyway.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
Awoon said:
Yep Cain murdered his brother. Did God comdemn him to Hell for eternity?

Nope, God just ran him out of his homeland to another where he found a wife and built a civilization.:eek:
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Ha! If God did condemn Cain to an eternal hell, then you could ridicule God for that.

Seems like a lose-lose situation for the Almighty.

The awful scorn of Awoon.
 
tumbleweed41

tumbleweed41

Resident Liberal Hippie
Awoon said:
Cain was kicked out of his homeland by God. Thast was his penalty for killing his brother. Thats all. God didnt condemn him to any Hell for eternity.
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What's your point?

(BTW, since you are pulling this out of an original Hebrew tale, you might want to study up on the Jewish take on "eternal Hell")
 
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Astounded

Member
URAVIP2ME said:
Adam and Eve are not covered by Jesus ransom sacrifice for sins.
Cain was born 'after' A&E sinned.
Cain, like us, inherited human imperfection from his then imperfect father Adam.

A&E were not condemned to hell [sheol] they have no resurrection hope.
The 'biblical hell' [sheol] is just the common grave of mankind.
It is the 'pagan hell myth' that burns forever.
Except for those of Matthew [12v32], all the rest of mankind will be resurrected from the Bible's hell [gravedom] where the dead sleep the deep sleep of death. [Ecc 9v5;Psalm 6v5;13v3;115v17;146v4;Daniel 12vs2,13]
Just as Jesus was resurrected from hell [Acts 2vs27,31,32; Psalm 16v10],
everyone in the biblical hell will be 'delivered up' [resurrected] to either life in heaven, or resurrected to life on earth during Jesus 1000-year reign over earth. [Rev 20 vs 6,13,14]
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Adam and Eve are not covered by Jesus ransom sacrifice for sins.

An imperfect ransomer? I guess that's what you get when you send a former angel to do God's job.......
 
Quagmire

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
Awoon said:
Yep Cain murdered his brother. Did God comdemn him to Hell for eternity?

Nope, God just ran him out of his homeland to another where he found a wife and built a civilization.:eek:
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Not just a civilization, civilization itself.

Maybe that was hell enough.
 
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Jethro

Member
Isn't it interesting that everyone out there who isn't a Christian, arrogantly thinks they know more about God and the Bible than born again Christians. It's most likely that Cain went to hell, unless of course he truly repented of his sin, trusted and loved God, and put his hope in the promised Saviour, "the seed of the woman, i.e. Christ" (Gen. 3:15).

Furthermore, those who don't believe in a literal hell need to ask the big question, why did Christ die? No hell, no need for Christ. However, Christianity didn't invent hell, rather Jesus, God's eternal and uncreated Son preached hell as the place that all unbelieving and unrepentant sinners would go.
 
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Quagmire

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
Jethro said:
Isn't it interesting that everyone out there who isn't a Christian, arrogantly thinks they know more about God and the Bible than born again Christians.
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Isn't interesting that so many non-Christians actually do know more about God and the Bible than many born again Christians?

Jethro said:
It's most likely that Cain went to hell, unless of course he truly repented of his sin, trusted and loved God, and put his hope in the promised Saviour, "the seed of the woman, i.e. Christ" (Gen. 3:15).

Furthermore, those who don't believe in a literal hell need to ask the big question, why did Christ die?
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Because they nailed him to a cross?
 
no-body

no-body

Well-Known Member
Jethro said:
Isn't it interesting that everyone out there who isn't a Christian, arrogantly thinks they know more about God and the Bible than born again Christians. It's most likely that Cain went to hell, unless of course he truly repented of his sin, trusted and loved God, and put his hope in the promised Saviour, "the seed of the woman, i.e. Christ" (Gen. 3:15).
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Maybe because we want to hope that there are sane, liberal versions of Christianity out there? Religion presented by fundamentalists is almost always extremely unpalatable and insane.

Furthermore, those who don't believe in a literal hell need to ask the big question, why did Christ die? No hell, no need for Christ. However, Christianity didn't invent hell, rather Jesus, God's eternal and uncreated Son preached hell as the place that all unbelieving and unrepentant sinners would go.

If you can't except the words and teachings of Christ, your unbelief, as well as your sins will condemn you on the Great Day of Judgement.:yes:
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God/Jesus is a monster, check.
 
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