Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Can it be anything else? It's persistent and deliberate, and I don't think it could be anything else.
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Caitlyn Jenner Calls Transwoman Artemis Langford 'Perverted, Sexually Deviant Male' Who Doesn't 'Belong in Women's Spaces'
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I don't know. Let's ask.
Hey, @Kfox, is what the point of you intentionally misgendering trans men and trans women?
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Meh. We already know he thinks referring birthsex amd claiming biology is a clever workaround.
Well, if he decides to start doing it to board members, he'll get in trouble. He's just making it harder for himself to have discussions with people here. That's why so don't see the point to doing it.
JDMS
Academic Workhorse
I think we know how he'd refer to the ones he knows are trans (if he can correctly infer their birth sex) if he was able to talk about us rather than to us.
I didn't.
You did. But go ahead and play games, I guess. I just asked a simple question.
I explained it to you already, yet you ask the same question over and over.
Where did you explain? I must not have seen the post.
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Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
And I didn't deserve any of my warning points.
Just so you know, sex hormones are a big part of everyone's biology and have a huge impact on and change just about every part of the body. A transsexual who is on hormones, especially after a number of years, is not really biologically the same as other members of their natal sex. Many of the changes are irreversible, as well. At the least, transsexuals are a kind of in-between, physically, between their natal sex and transitioned sex. So you're not really correct there, either. But I don't expect you to know what you're talking about here. It's sex hormones that really make you a man or a woman, and are the most important part of transitioning sex. To be honest, the surgeries are mostly cosmetic. Not so with the hormones.
(It's also not the same as abusing steroids in bodybuilding or women with PCOS, as transsexuals aim to have their hormone levels in range of their transitioned sex. I have never and doubt I would ever mistake a woman with PCOS who has facial hair for being a man. They still obviously are women.)
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Agreed
Just so you know, sex hormones are a big part of everyone's biology and have a huge impact on and change just about every part of the body.
What are numbers of natal sex?
I disagree; though hormones are a part of biology, they are not the entirety of biology. Giving someone artificial hormones does not change that person from male to female. That’s why when women take steroids (male hormones) and lift weights, though she may get muscles as big as a man’s muscles, her muscles will not look like a man’s muscle; they will only look like bigger female muscles.
I was kinda thinking the same thing about you. But nothing wrong with having a discussion; right?
What about xx vs xy chromosomes? Or having a prostate instead of a uterus? What about ovaries vs testes? Or heart, and lung, size and capacity. What about bone density or even brain differences? I think there is a bit more to man vs woman than sex hormones.
It was a typo; I meant "members".
I said sex hormones are a big part of biology, not that they were all of it, obviously.
I already brought up athletes abusing androgens and said it's not the same as transsexual HRT. That female weightlifter in your example would not be taking the same levels of testosterone as a trans man. Testosterone therapy causes a trans man to develop a male musculature.
Chromosomes are just a blueprint, and the finished product may not come out as expected. There's many things that affect sexual development. Like hormones.
I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying. Obviously hormones don't change everything after you've gone through puberty, such as bone structure (although they affect bone density). But it does have a big impact on your organs, muscles, ligaments, tendons, the blood, skin, hair, genitals, reproductive organs, brain, etc. I'm just saying that, for example, a trans man who is on testosterone cannot be said to be totally biologically female as if the testosterone hasn't changed the body in significant ways. Ditto for trans woman.
How is a woman using steroids different than a trans man using testostorone?
So if I understand you correctly, you are saying a biological male who is undergoing estrogen therapy for medical purposes (like prostate cancer etc) that due to the effects estrogen will have on the male body, he is no longer totally a biological male any more?
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syo
Well-Known Member
I applaud. Well said.