Can a human be more compassionate and merciful than God (in your opinion)

[A Vestigial Mote]

So what's your problem with How I would be if I were God.

You say you make no assumptions, you say you understand you are a mote, you say you have no vanity, you say god has no purpose for us. If you believe that why do you believe that a human could be better in any way then a God. This is what I am missing why in your humble view of life do you believe a Human could be even slightly better than God. I could understand if you said there was no God. But you specifically assign human traits to god or religious views to god and say humans are better.

Ultimately I would say humans are better than God at existing.

And you have surmised correctly - I don't believe in God. The only reason I juxtapose God's and humans' traits is for the benefit of those with belief - to make them understand where I am coming from. Believers seem very intent on questioning me much of the time - and probing me with accusations of my pride, arrogance, desire to sin, etc., and I oblige them by poking back or answering.

To this end I have thought quite a lot about God, and what His character would need to be were He to actually exist as so many claim He does. Why wouldn't I? What is wrong with doing that sort of thinking? What is wrong with trying to reason out what God would be from my perspective, given all accounts and knowledge of Him that I have access to? To be brutally honest, based on that knowledge, based on my thinking and reasoning, I have concluded that, even if God exists, I would definitely refuse to worship. He does not live up to my standards for being considered a "loved one" in my life. In fact He fails miserably on all accounts. I can easily do without Him, and if He exists, He seems to have no need for me. So why on Earth would I stress over having a relationship with him? An imaginary relationship at that! For that is what it would be, I assure you - me, alone, having to imagine that God and I were "communicating". And that is EVEN IF HE EXISTS! How very peculiar.

 

[james bond]

You have any proof of this supposed perfection? Because we've got corpses from the era. They're not in better health than we are. None the less, my point is that the offspring of A&E were not responsible. They should not have been punished. Guilt is not transferable by blood, no matter what some power-hungry dick with authority says.


Err, no. That's a reference to Alan Turing.


That's all well and good, but irrelevant to my point.

We do not have evidence from that era as they were lost as well as the evidence of the Garden of Eden from Noah's Flood.

Although, it is not to say we do not have evidence of ancient peoples. Look at the skeletons buried in the volcanoes found in Pompeii. They all had perfect teeth which the evos tried to explain by sugar in our diet makes us the way we are now.

The evidence you're referring to are the ones secular scientists give *cough* us. These are of post-flood people, at least the human ones, and they would be far from perfect. Cosmic rays did the damage. It also shortened our life expectancy. The theory for creation scientists now is the ancient people were bigger than us.

Are you sure it was Turing? Tell us about it. Mine was a joke I heard at Apple on why the company makes so much money.

All well and good with me, too, as it is.

I just noticed your Vikings art in your sig. It has ravens on it? Do you know that is evidence of God?

 

[Nietzsche]

We do not have evidence from that era as they were lost as well as the evidence of the Garden of Eden from Noah's Flood.

Although, it is not to say we do not have evidence of ancient peoples. Look at the skeletons buried in the volcanoes found in Pompeii. They all had perfect teeth which the evos tried to explain by sugar in our diet makes us the way we are now.

Well, we do eat a lot more sugar. It's easier to get. That's how this works.

The evidence you're referring to are the ones secular scientists give *cough* us. These are of post-flood people, at least the human ones, and they would be far from perfect. Cosmic rays did the damage. It also shortened our life expectancy. The theory for creation scientists now is the ancient people were bigger than us.

Oooooh, the world-conspiracy route. Before it was the Jews and how they controlled the world through bankers and Bolsheviks, now it's Eeeeevil Secular Science working through the Universities and education systems. You got anything that doesn't reek of tin-foil-hattery?

Are you sure it was Turing? Tell us about it. Mine was a joke I heard at Apple on why the company makes so much money.

All well and good with me, too, as it is.

Turing killed himself by injecting an apple with cyanide and biting into it.

I just noticed your Vikings art in your sig. It has ravens on it? Do you know that is evidence of God?

Ravens are symbols of the Norse Gods, specifically Odin. Not the god of the Nazarene.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

Look at the skeletons buried in the volcanoes found in Pompeii. They all had perfect teeth which the evos tried to explain by sugar in our diet makes us the way we are now.

And what is "the way we are now"? Cavities? Most certainly sugar-related.

Many of us needing braces due to poor tooth alignment during growth? Definitely NOT sugar related.

Although, an understanding of evolution could easily explain why our teeth alignment has deteriorated from more ancient ancestors. As "soft" as life has become for modern man, "perfect teeth" are not requisite for survival. Doesn't matter if you're good at chewing, or whether you can attract a mate or not given an unattractive smile - there are modern remedies that allow us to overcome the deficit... and so anyone born with said deficit in today's societies will likely breed the condition into the next generation... and this genetic pseudo-issue would be allowed to worsen... and worsen... and worsen... until nearly no one has straight teeth as the default.

 

[Spiderman]

To say a human cannot be more merciful than God is to reject belief in Hell (Eternal punishment)

 

[Ben Avraham]

To say a human cannot be more merciful than God is to reject belief in Hell (Eternal punishment)

Well, a human cannot be more merciful than God and, there is no such a thing as eternal punishment in hell. Of course, Hell aka Sheol aka the grave is the only thing eternal about man but not as a punishment in the afterlife but as a natural result of having been born.

 

[JustWondering]

U mean u want more than causality and infinite regress to prove the existence of God for example????

Yes. Even if I were to agree that a creator is needed for this universe to exist, I wouldn't think it was your god concept that was responsible anyway. Every time that science peels back the layers of the how and why of the universe we always find that natural processes are responsible not supernatural forces/beings. The intellectually honest answer for where did life/everything come from is: I don't know. If you were honest you would admit that you believe what you do because you were raised/brainwashed to, or because you simply want to believe, or likely a mix of both. Perhaps you had some kind of spiritual experience? That I could at least respect. Why is it so hard for a lot of theists to simply say their beliefs are based on faith that has no supporting arguments/evidence behind it? Atheists don't go into a physics seminar were only physics is discussed and come out of it praising Allah. I have more respect for people who are honest.

 

[Ben Avraham]

Yes. Even if I were to agree that a creator is needed for this universe to exist, I wouldn't think it was your god concept that was responsible anyway. Every time that science peels back the layers of the how and why of the universe we always find that natural processes are responsible not supernatural forces/beings. The intellectually honest answer for where did life/everything come from is: I don't know. If you were honest you would admit that you believe what you do because you were raised/brainwashed to, or because you simply want to believe, or likely a mix of both. Perhaps you had some kind of spiritual experience? That I could at least respect. Why is it so hard for a lot of theists to simply say their beliefs are based on faith that has no supporting arguments/evidence behind it? Atheists don't go into a physics seminar were only physics is discussed and come out of it praising Allah. I have more respect for people who are honest.

That's the problem with atheists, they do not know and they don't want to hear any one who seems to know, no matter what and how. That's called megalomanic EGO's pride.

 

[interminable]

Yes. Even if I were to agree that a creator is needed for this universe to exist, I wouldn't think it was your god concept that was responsible anyway. Every time that science peels back the layers of the how and why of the universe we always find that natural processes are responsible not supernatural forces/beings. The intellectually honest answer for where did life/everything come from is: I don't know. If you were honest you would admit that you believe what you do because you were raised/brainwashed to, or because you simply want to believe, or likely a mix of both. Perhaps you had some kind of spiritual experience? That I could at least respect. Why is it so hard for a lot of theists to simply say their beliefs are based on faith that has no supporting arguments/evidence behind it? Atheists don't go into a physics seminar were only physics is discussed and come out of it praising Allah. I have more respect for people who are honest.

OK
Let's forget god
I wanna prove in another way.

Can u find somewhere that is non-existent???

 

[JustWondering]

OK
Let's forget god
I wanna prove in another way.

Can u find somewhere that is non-existent???

Sure, Hogwarts from Harry Potter. You'll find it in the Harry Potter books.

 

[JustWondering]

That's the problem with atheists, they do not know and they don't want to hear any one who seems to know, no matter what and how. That's called megalomanic EGO's pride.

Wow, so requiring evidence before believing in something makes one a megalomaniac.

The problem with some theists is that they expect atheists to entertain their unsupported claims. Why should I give anymore credence to your god concept than I do to the existence of leprechauns when they have the same amount of supporting evidence for their existence, which is none?

 

[interminable]

Sure, Hogwarts from Harry Potter. You'll find it in the Harry Potter books.

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Fiction book and movies aren't my bag.

 

[Ben Avraham]

Wow, so requiring evidence before believing in something makes one a megalomaniac.

The problem with some theists is that they expect atheists to entertain their unsupported claims. Why should I give anymore credence to your god concept than I do to the existence of leprechauns when they have the same amount of supporting evidence for their existence, which is none?

I did not mean what I said above as a personal offense. What I called a megalomaniac EGO is the atheistic pride not to give a chance to a theist to share with him evidences for the existence of the Primal Cause. Now, if you are so sure that there is no evidences for the existence of the Primal Cause, tell me, who caused the Universe to exist? If you don't want to star that big, let's start with yourself; who caused yourself to exist?

 

[Shad]

If people could bring like it they didn't hesitate to do so.

The challenge is illogical. Many people realize this that actually studied logic.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

I have not read the Koran in Arabic but it probably isn't written very well, because when it's translated it becomes incoherent.

A lot of other books don't become incoherent when translated. The Koran is a poor poor poorly written piece of literature. God could do much better

More specifically, an allegedly omniscient & omnipotent god could at the very least not pick a language that would be so difficult for others to translate effectively in the future to the extent that learning Arabic is basically required to 'truly understand the Quran'. Why would a universal religion be so restrictive that the scripture only makes sense in a single tongue? He could even have invented his own Quranic language which would make sense to everyone no matter what tongue they learned growing up. But he didn't.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

If someone kill 200000 people in one second u will let him to be free and scoff the others huh???

Thank u . We don't want your compassionate behavior towards criminals

But since this life is meaningless this crime is of no real consequence. That's what Islam teaches, is it not? That Muslims should not put such stock in this life that they forget to look forward to the bliss that awaits them in the Hereafter. It's doctrines such as that which breed a contempt for life and, as a result, makes situations like the one you describe above much easier to justify.

 

[interminable]

The challenge is illogical. Many people realize this that actually studied logic.

And I've studied logic too but I think the opposite.

If I say god exists and u shad should prove that he doesn't exist
U can say that it's illogical.
But when I claim god exists and to prove it bring a book that is ascribed to him U should bring some arguments u destroy my claim. This is logical.

 

[interminable]

But since this life is meaningless this crime is of no real consequence. That's what Islam teaches, is it not? That Muslims should not put such stock in this life that they forget to look forward to the bliss that awaits them in the Hereafter. It's doctrines such as that which breed a contempt for life and, as a result, makes situations like the one you describe above much easier to justify.

This life is meaningless for those who don't believe in hereafter.

 

[psychoslice]

My god, he comes no where near compassionate towards us humans, we over power him in all areas, what a horrible thought that he can be better than us !!.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

I did not mean what I said above as a personal offense. What I called a megalomaniac EGO is the atheistic pride not to give a chance to a theist to share with him evidences for the existence of the Primal Cause. Now, if you are so sure that there is no evidences for the existence of the Primal Cause, tell me, who caused the Universe to exist? If you don't want to star that big, let's start with yourself; who caused yourself to exist?

The Primal Cause is based on a flawed premise, though. Time is only linear from our perspective, not objectively throughout the universe, thus the Primal Cause is unnecessary because there could be a never-ending circle of life, as it were.

As to how I myself was caused to exist, you see, when a man and a woman get their hormones all riled up ...