Can a literal Genesis creation story really hold up?

[outhouse]

Still monkeys?....the angelic would agree.

And as we stand before them...will they allow your presence?

This is embarrassing.

Evolution is now fact.

Angelic, what is that? as it stands now words on paper.

 

[CG Didymus]

I believe one third of heaven fell over an argument about something that looks like us.

If all we knew was the physical, biological realm, I'd say that all animals are related with apes being our closest relative. But we humans have a spiritual element. Do any of us really agree on what it is? No. None of us even agree on what is "literal" in the Bible. A big concern of mine is that literal to the Jew is so very different than literal to the Christian. So with no true interpretation of the Bible that we all can agree on, what is true and can we prove any of it?

Did 1/3 of the angels fall? Who knows. Do we have a body, soul and spirit? Who knows. Are there real places somewhere in some spiritual dimension called heaven and hell? Who knows? But, again, those things are religious ideas more linked to Christianity than Judaism. So because of the lack of a consistent Bible message and interpretation, what are we supposed to do?

All things spiritual are unprovable and very relative depending on which religion the person believes in. So why not study and learn from the observable world around us. Or, at least let those that do study it tell us what they've learned? Think about it, who was right Galileo or the Church? Is a literal interpretation that important? And, who's "literal" interpretation are you going to go with?

 

[greentwiga]

If all we knew was the physical, biological realm, I'd say that all animals are related with apes being our closest relative. But we humans have a spiritual element. Do any of us really agree on what it is? No. None of us even agree on what is "literal" in the Bible. A big concern of mine is that literal to the Jew is so very different than literal to the Christian. So with no true interpretation of the Bible that we all can agree on, what is true and can we prove any of it?

Did 1/3 of the angels fall? Who knows. Do we have a body, soul and spirit? Who knows. Are there real places somewhere in some spiritual dimension called heaven and hell? Who knows? But, again, those things are religious ideas more linked to Christianity than Judaism. So because of the lack of a consistent Bible message and interpretation, what are we supposed to do?

All things spiritual are unprovable and very relative depending on which religion the person believes in. So why not study and learn from the observable world around us. Or, at least let those that do study it tell us what they've learned? Think about it, who was right Galileo or the Church? Is a literal interpretation that important? And, who's "literal" interpretation are you going to go with?

This brings us to the most useless Bible study I have ever done. I was thinking about the 1/3 of the Angels that had fallen with the serpent. I wondered if there was any real analogy. Then I thought about how stars can symbolically represent angels. I looked at the great circle. This is how the earth wobbles in a circle and aims the north pole along different points on the circle. It takes 26,000 years to come back to the same point.

At the time of Jesus, there was no pole star. Something like 3,000 BC, the pole star was a star in Draco, the dragon. Then I thought that at 3,000 BC, some of the stars would be never setting stars. Then as the earth wobbled, some of the stars would start falling to earth. The number differs on how far from the north pole one lived. Close to the equator, only the pole star would be never setting. I had to calculate for the region of Jerusalem. According to my calculations, by the time of the writing of Revelations, 1/3 of the stars that used to be never setting in 3,000 BC now set, or "Fell to earth." Can I prove that John was using this change to illustrate the falling of Satan and the Angels? No, but it certainly was a fun challenge to my math skills.

 

[Thief]

This is embarrassing.

Evolution is now fact.

Angelic, what is that? as it stands now words on paper.

And you should be embarrassed.
Your lack of faith doesn't make you more qualified when discussing Genesis or the angelic.

I never said objection to evolution.
Works for me in the text covering Day Six.

 

[outhouse]

Your lack of faith doesn't make you more qualified when discussing Genesis or the angelic
.

Actually it does. I have no bias.



I have also researched this in depth, as to where you just make it up as you go

.

I never said objection to evolution.

Good.

Works for me in the text covering Day Six

Even though its not implied in any way shape or form.

Back to making stuff up as you go.

 

[Thief]

Actually it does. I have no bias.



I have also researched this in depth, as to where you just make it up as you go






Good.






Even though its not implied in any way shape or form.

Back to making stuff up as you go.

Not at all.
Sometimes making sense of a text requires a fellow to sit back and think.

History books?....as if someone else already found all the answers?
and you would then be able to.....recite?

I believe evolution was the means of making Man.
God would be behind the scheme of it.

Sorry...no historians available to write it down.
You just have to think about it.

 

[outhouse]

Not at all.
Sometimes making sense of a text requires a fellow to sit back and think.


You just have to think about it.

Nonsense.

If you want to work on your car yourself, you don't just buy tools and start wrenching.

You do out and get educated.


In this case you read books, take classes, listen to professors.



You do not appeal to ignorance.

 

[Thief]

Nonsense.

If you want to work on your car yourself, you don't just buy tools and start wrenching.

You do out and get educated.


In this case you read books, take classes, listen to professors.



You do not appeal to ignorance.

Ignorance has never stopped me before.
And yes I have changed out a truck engine.
Bought the tools and just went for it.
Worked fine.

 

[outhouse]

Ignorance has never stopped me before.
.

Pathatic to denounce modern knowledge and eduction.

Wilful ignornace doe not advance society as a whole.


No mater how hard you try, you cannot gte a literal Genesis to hold up in any way shape or form. :slap:

 

[CG Didymus]

Ignorance has never stopped me before.
And yes I have changed out a truck engine.
Bought the tools and just went for it.
Worked fine.

How did you know which tools to get? Did you study which parts went where before you pulled the old engine?

When it comes to the Earth and the life that lives on it. We read the "instruction manuel" the Bible, and it doesn't work that well for putting the pieces together.

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

How did you know which tools to get?

Jesus came down on clouds of glory and said unto him in a mighty booming voice... "Grab the wrench."

 

[CG Didymus]

Jesus came down on clouds of glory and said unto him in a mighty booming voice... "Grab the wrench."

Which size? Can I use sockets?

 

[Thief]

How did you know which tools to get? Did you study which parts went where before you pulled the old engine?

When it comes to the Earth and the life that lives on it. We read the "instruction manuel" the Bible, and it doesn't work that well for putting the pieces together.

No problem for me.
The pieces fit just fine.

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

How did you know which tools to get? Did you study which parts went where before you pulled the old engine?

When it comes to the Earth and the life that lives on it. We read the "instruction manuel" the Bible, and it doesn't work that well for putting the pieces together.

You obviously don't remember that passage in the book of Exodus, where God instructs Moses on how to properly change a Ford Mustang's engine while fleeing Pharaoh's army of Harley riding Egyptians. It has all the answers in there... I swear.

 

[CG Didymus]

You obviously don't remember that passage in the book of Exodus, where God instructs Moses on how to properly change a Ford Mustang's engine while fleeing Pharaoh's army of Harley riding Egyptians. It has all the answers in there... I swear.

Obviously you don't know what you are talking about. It was a '56 T-Bird. The first Mustang was not even invented until long after the land of Canaan was conquered. And, it wasn't the engine. It was a transmission overhaul.

 

[greentwiga]

I think the only vehicles were Triumph Motorcycles, for "The roar of David's Triumph was heard throughout the land"

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

I think the only vehicles were Triumph Motorcycles, for "The roar of David's Triumph was heard throughout the land"

You just blew my mind!

 

[outhouse]

I think the only vehicles were Triumph Motorcycles, for "The roar of David's Triumph was heard throughout the land"

Abrahams Ducati was heard throughout the land, the Triumph broke down lol

 

[greentwiga]

By the time of Moses, they rode in mustangs. The Egyptians kicked them out because they didn't like neigh sayers

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

By the time of Moses, they rode in mustangs. The Egyptians kicked them out because they didn't like neigh sayers

:slap: