Can a literal Genesis creation story really hold up?

[CG Didymus]

Why try to fit mythology into reality, when we can look at reality and see exactly where the mythology came from?

Yes. Why try to fit one people's mythology into reality? My question for Christians about that tree is, what ever happened to it? It had fruit. Didn't it have seeds? Wouldn't some of those seeds sprout? Yes, Genesis has some pretty good stories, but reality? The beginning of all of creation to the flood in a few pages? Then in a few pages more, we get all the way to Jacob? Didn't God or the people have more to say about those times and events? They sure had plenty to say about the events after that.

 

[outhouse]

Yes. Why try to fit one people's mythology into reality? My question for Christians about that tree is, what ever happened to it? It had fruit. Didn't it have seeds? Wouldn't some of those seeds sprout? Yes, Genesis has some pretty good stories, but reality? The beginning of all of creation to the flood in a few pages? Then in a few pages more, we get all the way to Jacob? Didn't God or the people have more to say about those times and events? They sure had plenty to say about the events after that.

My point is.

If you factually dont know your own heritage, you dont kow ayone elses heritage either.

But really we are dealing with with people that didnt use reason and knowledge to gain their current understanding

 

[Thief]

My point is.

If you factually dont know your own heritage, you dont kow ayone elses heritage either.

But really we are dealing with with people that didnt use reason and knowledge to gain their current understanding

Telling someone they can't know their heritage...is a bit of a stretch.
But that explains your insistence there is no God...no spiritual source.

You don't know your ...'origin'.

 

[Thief]

There's a contradiction above. Can you find it?


I'm confused... :areyoucra

Setting spirit into flesh......(think about it)....and it knows all things?
Of course not.
Adam and Eve are 'something less than the angels'.

Setting spirit into flesh ...and making it something less.....why?

The novelty of a fresh perspective.

We are all different.

THAT is why God is mindful of Man.

Check Psalms.
THINK about Genesis.

 

[Ouroboros]

Setting spirit into flesh......(think about it)....and it knows all things?
Of course not.
Adam and Eve are 'something less than the angels'.

Setting spirit into flesh ...and making it something less.....why?

The novelty of a fresh perspective.

We are all different.

THAT is why God is mindful of Man.

Check Psalms.
THINK about Genesis.

Think about it........

Find contradiction in previous post..........

What came first? Spaghetti or meatballs?

 

[Thief]

Think about it........

Find contradiction in previous post..........

What came first? Spaghetti or meatballs?

Spirit first ....then substance.

 

[greentwiga]

This is something no Israelite could ever answer with credibility.


Homo Sapiens have been on the planet for 200,000 years. This was outside their known knowledge.

These were people who followed mythology to explain the history they did not know, that we now know with certainty.




It does not in my opinion.

There is nothing at all in any biblical text that even partially eludes to as evolution, actually it states the opposite.



What is the problem with a 5th and 6th century literary creation, written in mythology influence by the Babylonians?




Your getting warmer! Your getting hot!


There was a flood in 2900 BC this flood is attested and really factually happened.

It was a terrible epic flood when the Euphrates overflowed its banks and took out these civilizations that had build cities and villages next to its bank not knowing about 500 or even 5000 year flood cycles.




Why try to fit mythology into reality, when we can look at reality and see exactly where the mythology came from?

The flood occurred during the Jemdet Nasr period, 3050-2900 BC. You put it at the end and I have been looking at the start. The Septuagint puts it in the Middle. Why do you insist it was at the end instead of causing the cultural discontinuity that was Jemdet Nasr?

 

[outhouse]

Spirit first ....then substance.

Provide sources.

 

[outhouse]

The flood occurred during the Jemdet Nasr period, 3050-2900 BC. You put it at the end and I have been looking at the start. The Septuagint puts it in the Middle. Why do you insist it was at the end instead of causing the cultural discontinuity that was Jemdet Nasr?

The knowledge is staring at you.

The flood ended the Jemdet Nasr period, whole civilizations were wiped out, and all their agriculture.


Who cares when the Hellenistic Jews claimed anything? They did not even know the Jewish heritage at all.


Do you understand what an attested flood is? It means there was FACTULLY a terrible flood in 2900 BC on the Euphrates.

 

[look3467]

If God doesn't know everything....then no one does.

That's why the tree of knowledge event took place.
God WANTED TO KNOW if the alteration He made took hold.

Had Man become that creature WANTING TO KNOW.....even with a death waiting as consequence?

And wasn't Eve told....you will became as 'they' are......

Thief....are you quoting someone or is that what you really believe?

If it is your statement then I have to wonder from where you are coming from.

I've read many of your posts and I didn't see where the above statement really agrees with your past ones.

Have you changed your views?

Question? How can a creator not know everything? He wouldn't be God the creator then.

The tree of knowledge is symbolic of knowledge gained. Mankind was given to be as gods, to know both good and evil. Meaning....having judgment.

The tree of life is also symbolic of the true vine. Meaning mankind not corrupted, as in Adam and Eve.

Tree of life withheld from Adam and Eve for the express purpose of having them exercise their God given gift.

Jesus, the symbolic and true tree of life, comes to earth, conquers for Adam and Eves the existing condition (lost estate) to that of an eternal condition. Life after death without end).

So, you see? God knew what He was doing from the get go.

That is it....pure and simple!

Trust mankind to make all sorts of changes, add and or subtract.

But let God be true, simple and plain! Faith.....is the key. Simple faith in God is all that is required.

Blessings, AJ

 

[look3467]

Flood or no flood. The symbolic meaning is that of a lost condition being redeemed into a saved condition via an individual.

A new beginning. Jesus....a type of Noah, a type of Moses, a type of Job, a type of Abraham, a type of Issac, a type of Jacob, a type of Joseph and many others.

But lastly, a type of a New Adam, a new creation, not of this world but of the eternal, redeeming the first Adam (and all human kind) as sons of God forever.

If you read the spiritual significance of all those stories, you will see the truth, rather than what the stories depict, as real or unreal.

Blessings, AJ

 

[Ouroboros]

Spirit first ....then substance.

Or spirit and substance is one.

And your answer shows that you didn't even bother reading what I wrote or really think about what was said.

You made a contradiction in an earlier post. Please explain. God knows and God has to test to know. Which is it? What came first? God's knowledge or his finding out what he didn't know?

You won't learn unless you listen. You have ears, but you don't use them. You have eyes, but you don't see with them.

 

[gnostic]

As Metis have said before, perhaps not in this thread, the values of Genesis 2 (& 3) come from the messages within the allegory, not in its historicity or its (nonexistent) science.

The allegory is the story, but the messages are one of moral messages: such as "Do not obey god", "Take responsibility for your own action or decision" (meaning, do not cast blame on others). Or very human meanings, like "Death come to us all", "Nothing in life is fair", "You have to work in order to eat".

 

[Thief]

Or spirit and substance is one.

And your answer shows that you didn't even bother reading what I wrote or really think about what was said.

You made a contradiction in an earlier post. Please explain. God knows and God has to test to know. Which is it? What came first? God's knowledge or his finding out what he didn't know?

You won't learn unless you listen. You have ears, but you don't use them. You have eyes, but you don't see with them.

Man and his body are as one.
God is spirit.

We are formed as such to become spirit.
We are left to our 'dominance' to be as we see fit.
Then God will sort through the mess we've made.

Good luck.

 

[Ouroboros]

Man and his body are as one.
God is spirit.

God is one.

We are formed as such to become spirit.

Can you show spirit? Can you explain what spirit is? A lot of conjecture here without any substance.

We are left to our 'dominance' to be as we see fit.

That's the definition of spirit?

Then God will sort through the mess we've made.

How. If he's not substance, he can't sort at all. Sorting takes ability to touch and do things, but he's not touchable and doesn't have a physical body, according to you.

Good luck.

Thanks. Good luck to you too!

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

Flood or no flood. The symbolic meaning is that of a lost condition being redeemed into a saved condition via an individual.

A new beginning. Jesus....a type of Noah, a type of Moses, a type of Job, a type of Abraham, a type of Issac, a type of Jacob, a type of Joseph and many others.

But lastly, a type of a New Adam, a new creation, not of this world but of the eternal, redeeming the first Adam (and all human kind) as sons of God forever.

If you read the spiritual significance of all those stories, you will see the truth, rather than what the stories depict, as real or unreal.

Blessings, AJ

If the flood account was a myth, then doesn't that leave the possibility that other parts of the Bible are myths as well... such as the Virgin Birth, Jesus' Resurrection, the Trinity, Heaven, Hell, etc.?

 

[Thief]

God is one.


Can you show spirit? Can you explain what spirit is? A lot of conjecture here without any substance.


That's the definition of spirit?


How. If he's not substance, he can't sort at all. Sorting takes ability to touch and do things, but he's not touchable and doesn't have a physical body, according to you.


Thanks. Good luck to you too!

Spirit without substance?.....exactly.
Maybe you ARE catching on!

 

[Ouroboros]

Spirit without substance?.....exactly.
Maybe you ARE catching on!

Shows that you're not reading the responses or take your time understanding them. You missed the question sign and the "according to you." Maybe you need to read and understand before you speak.

 

[Thief]

Shows that you're not reading the responses or take your time understanding them. You missed the question sign and the "according to you." Maybe you need to read and understand before you speak.

I think I have a good grasp of my view point.
I am simply defending it.

Perhaps you might be the one lacking the 'reach'?

 

[Ouroboros]

I think I have a good grasp of my view point.
I am simply defending it.

Perhaps you might be the one lacking the 'reach'?

I know your point of view because I was Christian for 30 years.

Can you say the same about my side?