Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
Yup.
The Israelites had infiltrated the angels. An undrcover angel recorded the whole convesrsation between God and Satan. LOL.
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Can a literal Genesis creation story really hold up?
- Thread starter CG Didymus
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Yup.
The Israelites had infiltrated the angels. An undrcover angel recorded the whole convesrsation between God and Satan. LOL.
outhouse
Atheistically
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Discounting the potential of talking to God goes a long way.
No prayer can ever be heard.
And your voice dies with you.
But you have already committed to that.
The eternal darkness of a box in the ground.
So...should we record your word?....and why should we?
outhouse
Atheistically
FAITH, fear based faith!!!!
Afraid to loose it all? follow my new religion and I will promise you ever lasting life! BUT you had better act fast before you burn in sulfur forever because the end is coming soon, so don't wait!!!!!!!!!
Simple do what I say and all your fears will be satisfied.
So far no one has ever came back to argue that one lol
THE END IS COMING SOON! but no man will know when lol
Triumphant_Loser
Libertarian Egalitarian
I'm still waiting for someone to leak them to YouTube.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
FAITH, fear based faith!!!!
Afraid to loose it all? follow my new religion and I will promise you ever lasting life! BUT you had better act fast before you burn in sulfur forever because the end is coming soon, so don't wait!!!!!!!!!
Simple do what I say and all your fears will be satisfied.
So far no one has ever came back to argue that one lol
THE END IS COMING SOON! but no man will know when lol
The end is near.
This planet can support only 9billion people.
I heard some scientist say so.
Afraid?...not me.
I have faith.
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
Yeah. Where is the Snowden-angel now?
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
What was Satan doing there? Didn't he get cast out? Or, was he in a disguise? Just like when he crawled into a snake suit to tempt Eve. But seriously, I know you guys like to kid and make jokes, but this is true history. And, I can prove it. First, you take what you want the Bible to say, oops, I mean, you take what the Bible does say and you form fit history around it. It works every time.
Sees
Dragonslayer
He was full of "it", no matter what his title or background
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Actually....he may be right.
I believe the Genesis event was timed as it was BECAUSE.....
Man as a species would multiply and subdue the entire resource of this planet.....
BEFORE the spirit of Man would have time to 'gel'.
The Garden event altered the body and the mind of Man.
Hence the notation...'breathed a soul into him'.....
But now the numbers of Man are about to over run fresh water sources.
The glaciers are melting.
The fresh water melting from ice at the poles will chill the ocean flow.
That's not good either.
We are capable of 'doing ourselves in'.
Won't be long now!
outhouse
Atheistically
Yet you dont have anything at all to substantiate your view. It is 100% faith, and your personal faith at that, not backed by anyone credible.
And by stating it wont be long now, your joining the thousands of people in the past who were all 100% proved wrong when they claimed the end was near. Everyone so far was factually wrong.
What are you waiting for luck alone to make some kind of connection so you can claim prophecy is credible? :slap:
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
What did the sea creatures do during the flood? When the water receded, wouldn't some whales, sharks, octopuses and other salt water animals get stuck in a lake somewhere? Was the flood water fresh or salty? If it was fresh, how did the oceans get salty so quickly? If it was salty, how did the lakes get fresh so quickly?
Thief
Rogue Theologian
I don't believe the Genesis account like most people do.
Flooded land up to the mountain tops?.....that's what it says.....
Maybe...in some portion of the world.
But no more water than this planet has.....a severe plate upheaval would be needed to submerge that much land mass.
THEN another upheaval to bring the mountain back up!
I'm not leaning that way.
More to common sense.....
A warming trend as we are going through now would flood almost every territory Man likes to live in.
The loss of crop and homeland would kill and displace almost everyone....everywhere.
I think the world would have noticed.
That's why the various accounts are world wide.
outhouse
Atheistically
Thanks for providing again, opinion with no source or credible evidence to back your position.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Your welcome...sort of.
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
That's the thing, is the "literal" story what's important or is it the spiritual message? People needed an explanation on how we got here and where we are going and what we're supposed to be doing. It gave the people a belief and a hope in something greater than themselves. It laid the foundation for spiritual laws for a people.
Christian fundys are still dependent on that story being the firm foundation, yet, somehow, they bend the story to fit their beliefs. I'm amazed at the differences in beliefs between Jews and Christians, yet the Christians base their beliefs on the Hebrew Bible. I don't know why Jesus and his followers came up with the devil and hell and personal "salvation", but it seems likely that these ideas came from other religions other than Judaism. And, were added in to "update" or to make the "old" Judaism into something simpler and more appealing to the masses. It worked. Christianity is very simple and appealing, especially Protestant Christianity, believe and you're "saved."
But the appeal fades and doesn't work for everyone, because, in practice, Christianity isn't any better than any other religion. It has its extremists and it has its nominal followers that just do it out of habit or guilt or something. It has its hypocritical preachers that say one thing and do the opposite. And, everything good and great about Jesus is unprovable and sounds mythical and magical. Yet, if followed, his teachings can and do work to make people better and to make them "feel" saved and to "feel" like they are following the truth.
But, that feeling, and, that "knowing" that what you have is the truth, is the same and is possible in any other religion. Followers in any other religion believe they are the ones that are right. They believe that they have the correct and true interpretation. So, which one is better? They all work for some. But, they also all have their "weird" and over the top side. And, they all have their weird and over the top extremist, fundy followers.
So what is "practical" religion? And what are "practical" religious beliefs? It certainly, IMO, isn't taking the religious stories too literal. That has never worked and never will work. It has only caused grief and sorrow and pain and suffering. It causes its followers to take unprovable things and events "blindly" by "faith", and then, to try and force, I mean "convert", others to their beliefs.
Even if one of the ways is true, that makes all the others wrong and man made, so somebody is following and believing something made up and not true. But, I doubt any of them are true and all are man made ideas, even though some spiritual truths are mixed in. So how do we sort out the "myth" from the real? How do we get to important spiritual reality from the superstitious? What do you think is going on? Why do you differ from other Christians in the way you interpret Genesis?
Thief
Rogue Theologian
I don't have difficulty with the literal notion.
Especially when Chapter Two looks so much like a science experiment.
The rest can also be explained.
I suspect...strongly suspect....
objection is made by those who would don't relish the prospect of Something Greater in charge....and that Something Greater will come around to see what stands from the dust.
Especially when Chapter Two looks so much like a science experiment.
The rest can also be explained.
I suspect...strongly suspect....
objection is made by those who would don't relish the prospect of Something Greater in charge....and that Something Greater will come around to see what stands from the dust.
outhouse
Atheistically
Most mythology reads just like that.
And of course, you have no sources or anything credible to back your position?
gnostic
The Lost One
thief said:
It does look that way, doesn't it.
But that present another baggage of problem, if you know what I mean.
According to Christian teaching - or at least in the 2 churches that I nearly joined when I was a teenager - God is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent.
If God was omniscient, or all-knowing, then why experiment in the 1st place, especially if God knew beforehand that they would fail the disobedient test (eating the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge, when God told them not to)?
If God was omniscient and knew that they would be tempted to eat the forbidden fruit, then why would he plant the Tree there in the 1st place?
God either wanted them to fail or he is not wise as he led us to believe, especially if this is a test or an experiment.