Can any here offer a solution to the middle east conflicts between Israel and Hamas/Hezbollah?

[oldbadger]

What's the standard for those in Hamas? Expectations would seem relevant to what would be required for all this to be settled apart from conflict. Are they religious? I'm sure they are. We know Israel has their own apart from Islam. It's not just about hatred from what I understand, but about sense of duty and obligation, and I think this is true for both sides. Would it end with Israel? If not, then what would be likely to happen in future years if not in process already?

World government and control and efforts made to get communities in check and religion and God and hate and territory and civilians and families, and centuries of conflict all variables contributing to the continuation of the conflicts...

So ...

No, I don't have any idea how this might be resolved any time soon or even peacefully (unfortunately).

I would prefer peace, but this doesn't appear to be a very favorable position among several world leaders at the moment.

Unfortunately

(Again)

Thank you for your post.
Nobody here seems to have any resolutions, but your post certainly shows just how extremely volatile the whole situation is.

 

[Godobeyer]

Nearly everybody here hopes that all innocent civilians in Israel, Lebanon and Gaza may be supported, protected, in safety, rehomed and given food, water and medical supplies.

Each side hates the other fiercely.
So can anybody here offer any suggestions for ending these dreadful conflicts?

....because I have not got a clue.

Going to straight fast solution:
For my opinion, The only solution that available, that USA get freed from AIPAC, because idea of Chosen people"superior human", which bring Jesus (pbuh) back. As my understanding.

I think the WW2 had same idealogy which is german race are superior human.
The war paid around 60 millions.

I am sure the world soon or later will pay the price of chosen people, and promise land.

 

[oldbadger]

Going to straight fast solution:
For my opinion, The only solution that available, that USA get freed from AIPAC, because ideal of Chosen people"superior human", which bring Jesus (pbuh) back. As my understanding.

Fast solution?
Tell me, Godobeyer, how long do you think that Israel would survive if all it's western allies would remove their support from it?
Would that be your fast solution?

And if that was to happen, what would you suggest should happen to all Israeli people?

I think the WW2 had same idealogy which is german race are superior human.
The war paid around 60 millions.

WW2 ended, and the ideology of Hitler was not the same as most other western countries.

I am sure the world soon or later will pay the price of chosen people, and promise land.

Other countries around Israel don't have to love it, but they should certainly be able to leave Israel alone.

And western powers should exert much pressure on Israel to protect ALL it's inhabitants.

 

[icehorse]

Like Christianity, Islam is an evangelising religion, and 'yes', both these have taken control of so many parts of the World.

For both Islam and Christianity, "evangelizing" is sometimes peaceful and not coercive. But historically it's often been through violent conquest i.e. colonialism.

These days it's popular to call Israel a "colonizer" which is ironic given that it's surrounded by a much larger and more egregious colonizing entity.

The Middle East was the birth place of Islam, hundreds of years ago. I don't know how Islam and Judaism became to be so much at odds, but today we can only hope that peaceful resolution is born.

In the ME, Islam is at odds with every other religion. FWIW, this is totally consistent with the instructions provided in the Quran.

I have known many Muslims in the UK, I worked with them. Most young Muslim men here that I knew liked smart clothes, a decent motor and a good job, some 'cred', etc..... They looked like secular Muslims to me.

Let's hope that peaceful advances can work where hatred has existed for so long, yes?

As I've said, many Muslims want to live in secular societies, and that's a good thing. But hundreds of millions do not, and we must be honest about that group of Islamists, and not pretend they're not a problem.

 

[Ponder This]

Nearly everybody here hopes that all innocent civilians in Israel, Lebanon and Gaza may be supported, protected, in safety, rehomed and given food, water and medical supplies.

Each side hates the other fiercely.
So can anybody here offer any suggestions for ending these dreadful conflicts?

....because I have not got a clue.

There all sorts of way to make people stop fighting...

1. Tell them to stop
2. Hose them down with cold water
3. Force them to sit in opposite corners
4. Take away their toys
5. Spank their heinies
6. Place bars of soap in their mouths
7. Force them to write, "Thou shall not covet thy neighbor's land," ten thousand times on a chalkboard

But until they have a collective come to Christ moment, they are pretty much doomed to an endless cycle of samsara in which they repeat their suffering ad nauseam. Perhaps they require someone to walk behind them and hit them on the head with sticks every time they have a stray thought.

 

[oldbadger]

For both Islam and Christianity, "evangelizing" is sometimes peaceful and not coercive. But historically it's often been through violent conquest i.e. colonialism.
These days it's popular to call Israel a "colonizer" which is ironic given that it's surrounded by a much larger and more egregious colonizing entity.
In the ME, Islam is at odds with every other religion. FWIW, this is totally consistent with the instructions provided in the Quran.
As I've said, many Muslims want to live in secular societies, and that's a good thing. But hundreds of millions do not, and we must be honest about that group of Islamists, and not pretend they're not a problem.

Extremists who turn to destruction or violence are totally dangerous whoever they are.
So, yes, we must recognise all such problems wherever they are.

I just hope that some very very good diplomats can surface from all sides of this tragedy and bring about a peace, however grudging a one.

 

[oldbadger]

There all sorts of way to make people stop fighting.....
But until they have a collective come to Christ moment, they are pretty much doomed to an endless cycle of samsara in which they repeat their suffering ad nauseam. Perhaps they require someone to walk behind them and hit them on the head with sticks every time they have a stray thought.

Come to Christ moment?
Do you want to tell Islam to 'come to Christ'?
Whenever I hear talk of Christ I think of the Church dogma that spun 'Christ' out of the living person of Jesus....two quite different beings altogether.

And would you tell all Israel to come to Christ?
I mean, if you're going to fail so badly then you might as well make a complete job of the fail, yes?

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Nearly everybody here hopes that all innocent civilians in Israel, Lebanon and Gaza may be supported, protected, in safety, rehomed and given food, water and medical supplies.

Each side hates the other fiercely.
So can anybody here offer any suggestions for ending these dreadful conflicts?

....because I have not got a clue.

Yes
Stop pouring fuel on the fire.
Stop funding
Stop supplying arms
Support a two state solution.

Return the stolen settlement lands to Palestinian control.
Return to 1947 borders.

In return
Establish a border force with teeth, that will immediately counter attacks by either side.

 

[icehorse]

Yes
Stop pouring fuel on the fire.
Stop funding
Stop supplying arms
Support a two state solution.

Return the stolen settlement lands to Palestinian control.
Return to 1947 borders.

In return
Establish a border force with teeth, that will immediately counter attacks by either side.

From a logical perspective (because I think the UN is quite corrupt), I think Jordan and Egypt should donate a bit of their land to create a homeland for the Palestinians. Can you avoid appeals to authority and argue why they shouldn't?

 

[libre]

I do believe that there will be no peace in the Middle East while Israel is surrounded by Muslim communities, and that the only true solution is to talk people out of Islam entirely. I do not expect to earn friends among Arabs or Muslims by saying as much.

This is a concerning proposition to me because there is simply no parallel for such a rate of religious conversion or atheification in history that I am unaware of. Why would we ground the peace process in a goal which we have no precedent for?

 

[Godobeyer]

Fast solution?
Tell me, Godobeyer, how long do you think that Israel would survive if all it's western allies would remove their support from it?
Would that be your fast solution?

Could be in first day.
Israel can't survive without Western media and weapon support.
Zionists are totally control Western media,when you control minds , you control everything.

And if that was to happen, what would you suggest should happen to all Israeli people?

Must be distingtion between peaceful Israeli and racists.

They run from holocaust from europe,especially Germany. because racism.
would they run from Palestine because they chose it's they elected racist regime ?

WW2 ended, and the ideology of Hitler was not the same as most other western countries.

WW2 ended, and the ideology of Hitler was not the same as most other western countries.

Unforuntly ,still root of racism in West, which don't consider Arabs lives same as Jews lives.

Other countries around Israel don't have to love it, but they should certainly be able to leave Israel alone.

Love and hate?
I personally don't hate Jews.
I hate Israel
Why should love a racist regime kill 42 thousands innocents.

And western powers should exert much pressure on Israel to protect ALL it's inhabitants.

Western power instead of pressure on Israel,they supply them to commit more crimes.
Because West can't disobey Israel.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

From a logical perspective (because I think the UN is quite corrupt), I think Jordan and Egypt should donate a bit of their land to create a homeland for the Palestinians. Can you avoid appeals to authority and argue why they shouldn't?

Why should any other nation donate their land. When the Palestinians already have every right to the land they occupy and the land stolen from them by the Israelis. That land should be returned to them.
They are neither asking for nor have any clam to Egyptian or Jordanian sovereign land.

I do not hear America offering them any of their land as a homeland.
That is not how things work.

 

[oldbadger]

Yes
Stop pouring fuel on the fire.
Stop funding
Stop supplying arms
Support a two state solution.

Return the stolen settlement lands to Palestinian control.
Return to 1947 borders.

In return
Establish a border force with teeth, that will immediately counter attacks by either side.

Hello Terry.....

Right or wrong, yours is the first direct answer. Although the border force would have a high cost, it would be a pittance compared with what's being spent these days, and the benefits to humanity all round could be huge.

 

[icehorse]

Why should any other nation donate their land. When the Palestinians already have every right to the land they occupy and the land stolen from them by the Israelis. That land should be returned to them.
They are neither asking for nor have any clam to Egyptian or Jordanian sovereign land.

I do not hear America offering them any of their land as a homeland.
That is not how things work.

Ok,so how do you arrive at the conclusion that it's their land?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Nearly everybody here hopes that all innocent civilians in Israel, Lebanon and Gaza may be supported, protected, in safety, rehomed and given food, water and medical supplies.

Each side hates the other fiercely.
So can anybody here offer any suggestions for ending these dreadful conflicts?

....because I have not got a clue.

My answer won't be popular and it would be they should war it out until one side concedes in complete defeat or total surrender.

I doubt there are any type of solution givin the amount of time that has passed where the closest to a peace in my opinion would be at the time of Yasser Arafat, where he was essentially givin a real chance for a true formally recognized Palestinian state to be established and he rejected it.

 

[oldbadger]

My answer won't be popular and it would be they should war it out until one side concedes in complete defeat or total surrender.

Your answer......how many deaths do you estimate would be caused by 'total war until total surrender'?

 

[oldbadger]

Ok,so how do you arrive at the conclusion that it's their land?

What? Gaza and the West Bank?
Gaza has always been inhabited by gentiles, and the West Bank has been home to Palestinians for hundreds of years.

Fair enough?

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Ok,so how do you arrive at the conclusion that it's their land?

Because they have been living there continuosly, since before some of it was granted to the Jews by the league of nations. Long before the state of Israel existed.
Prior to that there had been no Jewish state since it's destruction and disbandment by the Roman empire. if the bible stories are true the Jews acquired the land by conquest after escaping Egypt. They subsequently established two nations of Judah to the north and israelites took the land of the Canaanites to the south. They held the land until defeated and taken into captivity by the Babylonians.
Eventually they regained their freedom until once again defeated and dispersed by the Romans.

Although some Jews have continued to live in the region as subjects of other nations they had not done so as a state until May 1948. When Ben Gurion declared the establishment of the State of Israel.
Until then the entire area, known as Palestine, was governed by the UK under a charter established by the league of nations prior to the British mandate it had been ruled since the middle 16th. Century by the Ottoman empire.

While it is clear that for a relatively short period from the iron age onward some of the lands had been conquered by the various tribes of Israel. The lands have been largely ruled by other people's for a majority of history

 

[Stonetree]

Nearly everybody here hopes that all innocent civilians in Israel, Lebanon and Gaza may be supported, protected, in safety, rehomed and given food, water and medical supplies.

Each side hates the other fiercely.
So can anybody here offer any suggestions for ending these dreadful conflicts?

....because I have not got a clue.

Where should we start?
Agriculture is a vital part of Palestine's economy, culture, and social fabric. It's a family business that employs a large portion of the population, and it's been a way of life in the West Bank for thousands of years. However, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and other factors have had a negative impact on the agricultural sector:
Land use: Land is used for nature reserves, military purposes, and settlements.
Economic blockade: Gaza has been devastated by economic blockade and war, making it difficult to develop a strong agricultural export industry. Water: Water resources are limited, and water networks have deteriorated.
Women's participation: Women play a major role in agricultural practices, but conservative social customs and traditions restrict their engagement.
Unemployment: Unemployment rates in Palestine have been high, and the agricultural sector has become impoverished.

Education in Palestine is valued by families, but access to schools is challenging. The education system includes primary, middle, secondary, vocational, and tertiary education. However, there are many obstacles to education, including:
Safety: Schools are often attacked, and students and staff are threatened. In the Gaza Strip, the education infrastructure has been damaged and destroyed by the blockade and hostilities.
Poverty: Poverty is widespread, and the economy is in decline.
Trauma: Unaddressed trauma can negatively impact educational outcomes.
Unemployment: Youth unemployment rates are high, at 40% in the West Bank and 62% in Gaza.
Political status: Palestinians in some countries, such as Lebanon, face restrictions based on their political status or financial situation.

 

[icehorse]

What? Gaza and the West Bank?
Gaza has always been inhabited by gentiles, and the West Bank has been home to Palestinians for hundreds of years.

Fair enough?

Not even close, and not really very accurate. Jews have been living in these areas since before there even was an Islam, so if we use your logic, your conclusions don't hold up.

My point is that I don't think there are any good, logical reasons why the border lines in this region have been drawn the way they are drawn. Many groups have more land than they inhabited traditionally and many groups have less. So most people fall back to just accepting arbitrary lines drawn by the UN, and they randomly pick some start date, even though over the years the UN has drawn many different maps.