Can any here offer a solution to the middle east conflicts between Israel and Hamas/Hezbollah?

[oldbadger]

The solution is the two-state solution based roughly on the Oslo accords. The only way it will get implemented is when the Christ returns and imposes it on Israel (the Palestinians also need persuading, but not as much).

Oh dear!
How much chance of any 'Christ return' do you think will happen, or how long before?

 

[Godobeyer]

I don't think that you care too much for Israel or Jewish Israelis, Godobeyer.

peacefull Jewish i care, you won't believe maybe if i told you all lives are same to me and most of muslims believe the same, because God said killing soul is permanent hell, who saved soul, as safe all humanity. No matter race or religion.

Don't forget that Islam has a long history of invading Israel going back hundreds of years.

Israel was not exit when Islam come,
It was roled by Romans.
After taken by Muslims all three religions live no oppression or massacres.

I don't believe that Islam can leave Israel alone, but I do think that Palestinians should be protected in Israel.

it's same as if I believe that judiasm ican't leave Palestinians alone. Is this.Make sense ?

I believe the idealogy of chosen people which won't leave a Palestinians alone and all humanity too.
edited to clarify:
i meant by the Chosen people, whom consider them selfs are superior human. Not all jews.
There are peaceful Jews, whom against Israel racist regime, and crimes.

 

[oldbadger]

it's same as if I believe that judiasm ican't leave Palestinians alone. Is this.Make sense ?

Most people in my country also believe that Israel must leave Palestinians alone, must not take their homes and farms, and should give back what they have taken.

But we also believe that Islam would not leave Israel alone if it had any free hand there.

 

[Godobeyer]

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Most people in my country also believe that Israel must leave Palestinians alone, must not take their homes and farms, and should give back what they have taken.

That's human commun sense, because Palestinians are the main/most victim of this

But we also believe that Islam would not leave Israel alone if it had any free hand there.

Islam is religion, not country.

I think you meant Palestinians or region

The solution, is you already told.
When you someone steal/oppressed other.

In common sense, We blame most the oppressor or who resisting for his rights ?

 

[oldbadger]

Islam is religion, not country.

I think you meant Palestinians or region

The solution, is you already told.
When you someone steal/oppressed other.

In common sense, We blame most the oppressor or who resisting for his rights ?

You certainly don't seem to have any intention of acknowledging that if Israel was to be left undefended by western countries that Islamic countries around it would take advantage.

Islamic countries, Godobeyer.

You only seem to see half the picture.

 

[Godobeyer]

You certainly don't seem to have any intention of acknowledging that if Israel was to be left undefended by western countries that Islamic countries around it would take advantage.

I understand your point, you mean the West support Israel because Muslim countries threat Israel .

But how about Israel which threaten Muslims (what we observe on reality now)?

I don't actually know what the purpose to support criminal racist regime just because they around Muslim countries.
is that golden billion plan?

I know Muslims blood are cheap compare to Western or Jewish, that's for root of racism is still there.

Islamic countries, Godobeyer.

You only seem to see half the picture.

I see full picture, I am from region, I believe if you see what I see on Telegram" Israel's crimes), you would understand why most Muslims hate Israel regime.

 

[muhammad_isa]

You certainly don't seem to have any intention of acknowledging that if Israel was to be left undefended by western countries that Islamic countries around it would take advantage.

Well, clearly, if Israel didn't have so many "skeletons in the closet", I doubt whether
we would see what we see in the UN.
i.e. the majority of world nations, Muslim majority or otherwise, condemning Israel

..and we all know who is "the stronger", who bombs an occupied strip of land killing
and maiming women and children daily .. and has done for the past 13 months.

..so the question becomes one of what is actually being defended??
Israel should be kicked out of the UN, like South Africa was .. Israel regards UN bodies
as "terrorist", and the secretary general is a person-non-grata.

..and do you think Israel should be "defended", to the point where practically everybody in the region
who is not an Israeli is regarded as a "terrorist" ?

The demise of the West will be accelerated, unless they "wake up" and act. It will lose all
moral authority.

 

[Godobeyer]

Oh dear!
How much chance of any 'Christ return' do you think will happen, or how long before?

My opinion about Jesus return has changed.

I stop believe that Jesus or Messiah will come, for me it's just story of mythology written in OT.

 

[soulsurvivor]

Oh dear!
How much chance of any 'Christ return' do you think will happen, or how long before?

100% chance. If not next year, within the next five years.

 

[Shaul]

Going to straight fast solution:
For my opinion, The only solution that available, that USA get freed from AIPAC, because idea of Chosen people"superior human", which bring Jesus (pbuh) back. As my understanding.

I think the WW2 had same idealogy which is german race are superior human.
The war paid around 60 millions.

I am sure the world soon or later will pay the price of chosen people, and promise land.View attachment 98644.

Your post demonstrates fundamental misunderstandings. The U.S. is not captive to AIPAC. The concept of "chosen people", with respect to Jews, has nothing to do with any putative superiority. Remember what the Quran says to the Jews,
يَـٰقَوْمِ ٱدْخُلُوا۟ ٱلْأَرْضَ ٱلْمُقَدَّسَةَ ٱلَّتِى كَتَبَ ٱللَّهُ لَكُمْ وَلَا تَرْتَدُّوا۟ عَلَىٰٓ أَدْبَارِكُمْ فَتَنقَلِبُوا۟ خَـٰسِرِينَ

 

[Shaul]

The main problem is not Israel and Hamas. The main problem is external forces that, for their own purposes, are meddling and fomenting needless strife and conflict. The solution is for the final settlement negotiation and agreement. No excuses, no delays, no tolerance for any side, nor outsiders, that refuses to participate or accept in the final negotiated settlement.

 

[oldbadger]

The demise of the West will be accelerated, unless they "wake up" and act. It will lose all
moral authority.

Exactly how do you think the West should act?

 

[oldbadger]

100% chance. If not next year, within the next five years.

I might survive that long. But I won't be holding my breath for any such return.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Exactly how do you think the West should act?

Responsibly.
Initially, they agreed to finance Israel's "war against terrorism", and several times during the last
year, advised the Israeli govt. re human rights etc.

..so we have now that the west is still "expressing concern", but still supplying weapons of mass destruction.
Why does the Israeli govt. even NEED to kill and maim scores of women and children every day
by bombing civilian infrastructure?

It's obvious to the vast majority of people in the world what is going on .. a genocide.
Where are all these Palestinians in Gaza going to live tomorrow, if the so-called war was to end?
Who is going to feed them etc. ?

 

[oldbadger]

Responsibly.
Initially, they agreed to finance Israel's "war against terrorism", and several times during the last
year, advised the Israeli govt. re human rights etc.

..so we have now that the west is still "expressing concern", but still supplying weapons of mass destruction.
Why does the Israeli govt. even NEED to kill and maim scores of women and children every day
by bombing civilian infrastructure?

It's obvious to the vast majority of people in the world what is going on .. a genocide.
Where are all these Palestinians in Gaza going to live tomorrow, if the so-called war was to end?
Who is going to feed them etc. ?

Almost everybody everywhere agrees with the above, but all the above must be laid at the foot of a highly extreme Israeli government.
Most of us do not blame the Palestinian people for the disgusting actions of the Hamas terrorist government which got into power a generation ago with no election since, it's the governments of both sides (and the Hezbollah terrorists in Lebanon) that are the killers.

The 'west' believes that if it doesn't supply armaments to Israel that Israel will be overrun and destroyed.
So can you tell us all that if Israel was left undefended that it would be safe from destruction and mass murders?

 

[Godobeyer]

The main problem is not Israel and Hamas. The main problem is external forces that, for their own purposes, are meddling and fomenting needless strife and conflict. The solution is for the final settlement negotiation and agreement. No excuses, no delays, no tolerance for any side, nor outsiders, that refuses to participate or accept in the final negotiated settlement.

Partly agree.
Extern forces including USA AIPAC,zionists ?.

But there is fundamental "intern "problem, which is Israel is racist apartheid criminal regime, occupation West Bank and Jerusalem Muslims part, and destroying Gaza(was open air prison)

 

[muhammad_isa]

Almost everybody everywhere agrees with the above, but all the above must be laid at the foot of a highly extreme Israeli government..

Yes .. the govt. is extreme.
..so the question is, how can it change by supporting it with weapons of mass destruction?

The 'west' believes that if it doesn't supply armaments to Israel that Israel will be overrun and destroyed.

Well, perhaps they have themselves to blame. They have never sorted the issue of the
Palestinian refugees, and now they see an opportunity to solve their problem through
genocide.

So can you tell us all that if Israel was left undefended that it would be safe from destruction and mass murders?

I don't think that the majority of people in the world are suggesting that Israel is left "undefended".

Imagine a scenario where a top security prison on say the Isle of wight, had a massive breakdown
of security, and the prisoners had killed people and took hostages.
Would the UK govt. respond by destroying the prison with its inhabitants, do you think?
I highly doubt it.

Gaza is effectively an Israeli prison, managed by Israel. We all know that the Israelis had no intention
whatsoever of changing that situation. We know that they are not stupid .. on the contrary .. they
are very intelligent .. leaders in AI and what have you.
Any reasonable person would deduce, that what they are doing has been their plan all along.

 

[soulsurvivor]

I might survive that long. But I won't be holding my breath for any such return.

You should never hold your breath for any reason. But those who commit genocide or acts of terrorism need to be aware that they will have to answer for it pretty soon.

 

[Godobeyer]

Your post demonstrates fundamental misunderstandings. The U.S. is not captive to AIPAC.

This far from truth, it's known that AIPAC had big role in US policy, no one can be president, if AIPAC don't approved him/her.

The concept of "chosen people", with respect to Jews, has nothing to do with any putative superiority.

Concept of Chosen people, taken by some racist Jews,some Christians support that, to justify their crimes. Is not, so how about zionism?

Obviously I never don't meant normal or peaceful Jews.

Definitely, there are normal Jews who wants peace, dislike what Israel doing.

Remember what the Quran says to the Jews,
يَـٰقَوْمِ ٱدْخُلُوا۟ ٱلْأَرْضَ ٱلْمُقَدَّسَةَ ٱلَّتِى كَتَبَ ٱللَّهُ لَكُمْ وَلَا تَرْتَدُّوا۟ عَلَىٰٓ أَدْبَارِكُمْ فَتَنقَلِبُوا۟ خَـٰسِرِينَ

I know pro Israel use this verse.
This verse talk about Jews during prophet Moses(pbuh) rejected order of God to fight idol worship, with Moses(pbuh) , they told him,(Moses) " go with your God fighting, we don't fight, we stay here"

Edited to add to clarify, we muslims believe that Jews were the Chosen people, but they didn't carry message of God to human beings. On contrary edited it. So that's why we believe that nowday Torah is corrupted by human hands.
We Muslims believe this not original Torah.

 

[Godobeyer]

You should never hold your breath for any reason. But those who commit genocide or acts of terrorism need to be aware that they will have to answer for it pretty soon.