One should consider what respect is before grappling this matter you present.
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Can Atheists and Theists ever acknowledge each other.
- Thread starter Intertia
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One should consider what respect is before grappling this matter you present.
Howso?
I'm sorry, but if someone actually disbelieves in all of reality, demonstrates such an extreme narcissism that they think they're the most powerful and great force in existence, never celebrates or gives thanks to anything, and is incapable of experiencing sentiments of awe, wonder, and happiness, I don't know what else to call that but a personality disorder or mental illness. If nothing else, it's damned unhealthy.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
When you confuse your beliefs with your own self, you are fated to get hurt. It is just a natural consequence.
Sonofason
Well-Known Member
It is what it is. That which I believe is most of what I am.
outhouse
Atheistically
This describes most theist.
Never seen an atheist claim power or force
Does this describe an atheist ?
, and is incapable of experiencing sentiments of awe, wonder, and happiness, I don't know what else to call that but a personality disorder or mental illness. If nothing else, it's damned unhealthy.
Don't need magic or any made up being or entity, to have these feelings about nature.
And once again you have provided examples of fanaticism and fundamentalism.
The real kicker is looking down upon those who do not hold similar beliefs.
It would show obsessive enthusiasm for your belief, with strict adherence to your personal faith.
When will you describe any definition or aspect of atheist?
outhouse
Atheistically
Correct.
What I have noticed is the farther one is away from reality, the less tolerance and acceptance they will receive .
Bunyip
pro scapegoat
In my culture many, if not most families would have both theists and atheists. In day to day life it is rarely an issue, there is an unspoken social taboo that generally prevents discussing religion dating back to our sectarian colonial past.
In the context of debate of course these positions are contestable and rightly so, but in day to day life they are largely irrelevant and believer and non-believer alike assimilate pretty seamlessly.
In the context of debate of course these positions are contestable and rightly so, but in day to day life they are largely irrelevant and believer and non-believer alike assimilate pretty seamlessly.
outhouse
Atheistically
Sonofason
Well-Known Member
Except.
No one religion gets to define atheism.
You're right. It's unanimous.
In my experience, most of us, on both sides, get along just fine.
It's the egotistical jack ***** who can't get over people holding contrary beliefs that are typically the problem. And there are plenty of those to go around.
And those are the ones who are most noticed. Who remembers
that time that Katzpur & I didn't have a knock down drag out fight?
Peaceful events never make the news, eh.
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No, it doesn't.
Which is exactly my point, and again, is exactly my point. Atheists have a particular understanding of the gods in mind when they call themselves atheists, not the entire broad spectrum of what theism entails. The same is true of theists: they also have a particular understanding of the gods in mind when they call themselves theists, not the entire broad spectrum of god-concepts worldwide and throughout history. This is precisely why both of these terms are meaningless unless the understanding of the gods is clarified, and precisely why I never assume an atheist is atheistic with respect to my understanding of the gods. It has extremely absurd implications.
I never suggested otherwise. Sure, I'd call my gods "magical" in the sense that they inspire awe and wonderment, but I'm pretty sure I didn't make up the sun, moon, sea, and sky. If I did, at this point I'd like to request you all start worshipping me as the creator of all things.
Not really. You're mostly demonstrating that you've completely missed the point of what I'm trying to get at here.
Kind of already did. We basically can't. The term is meaningless (as is the term theism) unless the understanding of the gods is clarified or unless a context is given. And as already noted - you know, the point you seem to have completely missed - I typically assume people mean atheism with respect to the dominant theistic ideas in a given culture because it would be stupid and wrong of me to assume that an atheist means to tell me that they've an ego the size of the planet and disbelieve in literally everything. They don't, but those are some of the implications atheism has with respect to my theology.
But hey, if I happen to meet an atheist who disbelieves in Sun or something and thinks it was created by humans, I'll be sure to let you know.
(wait a sec...)
Which brings back 'round to the point of that making assumptions is bad. The mere fact someone calls themselves an atheist or a theist means diddly squat... which is part of why I have a hard time understanding the conflicts that happen here. $#@%, I tend to have more in common with atheists in my culture than other theists because they reject the same god-concepts I do! Oh, the irony...
You have simply been looking at the wrong atheists and theists! I know many, including myself, theists that get along with atheists, and vice versa
allfoak
Alchemist
Atheists actually prove the gospel to be true through their error.
If theists understood this then there would be no need for an argument.
The parable of the sower and the seed makes it very clear that if one does not understand that particular parable you will not be able to understand anything else that the scripture says.
Thus the Atheist view on the Bible and God proves it to be true.
The theist who does not move on to maturity from a simple faith also will not be able to understand the book they claim to be the basis of their faith.
So in effect, the Atheists and many Theists are in the same boat
thinking they understand something that they are in fact unable to understand.
If they could come to this understanding about themselves there would be an open door for discussion.
If theists understood this then there would be no need for an argument.
The parable of the sower and the seed makes it very clear that if one does not understand that particular parable you will not be able to understand anything else that the scripture says.
Thus the Atheist view on the Bible and God proves it to be true.
The theist who does not move on to maturity from a simple faith also will not be able to understand the book they claim to be the basis of their faith.
So in effect, the Atheists and many Theists are in the same boat
thinking they understand something that they are in fact unable to understand.
If they could come to this understanding about themselves there would be an open door for discussion.
is truth plural?
This is to completely misunderstand us.
We are all about not proving anything at all.
It's why we disbelieve.
allfoak
Alchemist
You are misunderstanding me.
You expect proof of something that you will not search out for yourselves.
Now i am sure that you are going to tell me different.
Have you actually done what the parable says to do?
Which is to clean out the mind and body in order to be able to understand knowledge that is unavailable to those who do not.