Can Christians fall from God's Grace

[thedictator]

Galatians 5:4 :run: :yes:

 

[Azakel]

Galatians 5:4 :run: :yes:

Not ever one here has a Bible or a way to look up the quote. Could you please post the line you are talking about.

 

[TheGreaterGame]

A genuine Christian cannot "fall from grace" . . . if a professor disavows a personal relationship with Christ they were never in grace to begin with. Romans 8:7-9 is clear about this. A Christian is one who has the Spirit of God . . . no faith . . . no Spirit . . . no Christianity . . . no grace.

 

[Wisdom_Seeker]

When were Christians "on the Grace"?

 

[wizanda]

Zec 4:7
(7) Who art thou, O great mountain? before Zerubbabel (Sown in Babylon) thou shalt become a plain: and he shall bring forth the headstone (plummet-line) thereof with shoutings, crying, Grace, grace unto it.

Gal 5:4
(4) Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Mat 5:17
(17) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Mat 12:37
(37) For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Mat 5:19
(19) Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Zec 11:10
(10) And I took my staff, even Grace (Beauty), and cut it asunder, that I might break my covenant which I had made with all the people. + Inheritance (bonds)
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Mat 27:9
(9) Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Zechariah (Jeremy) the prophet, saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was valued, whom they of the children of Israel did value;
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Mat 21:43-44
(43) Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
(44) And whosoever shall fall on this stone (plummet-line) shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
= No inheritance to those who swear by a sacrifice and many have fallen on it.

Luk 17:9-10
(9) Doth he Grace (thank) that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I think not.
(10) So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.

Luk 6:32-35
(32) For if ye love them which love you, what Grace (thank) have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.
(33) And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what Grace (thank) have ye? for sinners also do even the same.
(34) And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what Grace (thank) have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.
(35) But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is Gracious (kind) unto the unthankful and to the evil.

 

[BruceDLimber]

Greetings!

>Can a Christian fall from God's grace?

Of course! ANYONE can!

As it says in the Baha'i scriptures:

“How often hath a sinner attained, at the hour of death, to the essence of faith, and, quaffing the immortal draught, hath taken his flight unto the Concourse on high! And how often hath a devout believer, at the hour of his soul’s ascension, been so changed as to fall into the nethermost fire!”
--Gleanings, p. 266


Peace,

Bruce

 

[slabbey06]

Galatians 5:4 :run: :yes:

Can you define what you mean by falling from grace? If you're thinking this verse means a believer can lose his/her salvation, then I strongly disagree. You have to take Scripture as a whole, and in that context it teaches you can't lose it. In the specific context of Gal 5, this passage is talking about walking in the power of the Holy Spirit and not in legalism or in the flesh. Salvation has nothing to do with it. In essence, Paul is basically saying, "You were saved by grace through faith in Christ apart from works and you're sanctified the same way, by grace through faith as the Holy Spirit fills you and you walk in His power. So why are you trying to be "justified" through the law?" The law couldn't save us and it can't sanctify us. Falling from grace has nothing to do with our position in Christ as believers. It has to do with our conduct.

 

[wizanda]

There is no prescribed Grace it was cut off by Christ and if you believe you have it for free, then you just prove you are against God and Christ's words and teach like everyone else Balaam....

 

[McBell]

A genuine Christian cannot "fall from grace" . . . if a professor disavows a personal relationship with Christ they were never in grace to begin with. Romans 8:7-9 is clear about this. A Christian is one who has the Spirit of God . . . no faith . . . no Spirit . . . no Christianity . . . no grace.

Ah yes, the infamous "No True Scotsman," gotta love it.
For it is the most convenient of outs.

 

[TheGreaterGame]

Ah yes, the infamous "No True Scotsman," gotta love it.
For it is the most convenient of outs.

I have to qualify my statement . . . don't you know that even Apathetic Theists think they are Christians these days. I did quote where the power rests-- the words of God.

 

[McBell]

I have to qualify my statement . . . don't you know that even Apathetic Theists think they are Christians these days. I did quote where the power rests-- the words of God.

Nice try, but the fact of the matter is that I am not a Christian.
Nor do I even think/refer/claim/want/desire/delude myself as Christian.
Problem is that you jumped from the No True Scotsman to ad hominem, then as a last ditch effort, in that post, fall back on appeal to divinity.

Needless to say, I am not impressed.

 

[wizanda]

I have to qualify my statement . . . don't you know that even Apathetic Theists think they are Christians these days. I did quote where the power rests-- the words of God.

That’s our point; a follower of Christ’s wording is called a "Child of God"....Followers of the Pharisees are called Christians.

 

[may]

Once​

Saved, Always Saved?​

● The adherents of certain religions are frequently heard to say: "Once saved, always saved." By this they mean that having once declared their belief in Christ they cannot backslide or fall away from salvation. But this just is not so. If it were, the apostle Paul would not have written to the brothers in Corinth: "But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light."—2 Cor. 11:3, 14.
●Nor, if backsliding were impossible, would he have told the congregation at Ephesus: "For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them." Nor, if it were impossible to fall away from salvation, would he have told those who were spiritually inclined among the Galatians to consider themselves "lest thou also be tempted."—Acts 20:29, 30; Gal. 6:1.
●What do these things mean to the Christian? That he must continually check his faith, by testing it to see that it is accurate and by proving it by God’s Word; then he must live up to God’s requirements and contend for the faith, so as not to be like those of the ancient Israelites, whom God saved out of Egypt, but later destroyed because they "believed not."—Jude 5.​

 

[McBell]

Not ever one here has a Bible or a way to look up the quote. Could you please post the line you are talking about.

Galations 5:4
ye were freed from the Christ, ye who in law are declared righteous; from the grace ye fell away;

 

[may]

That’s our point; a follower of Christ’s wording is called a "Child of God"....Followers of the Pharisees are called Christians.

A christian is a follower of Jesus christ .

 

[Sonic247]

I have to qualify my statement . . . don't you know that even Apathetic Theists think they are Christians these days. I did quote where the power rests-- the words of God.

Which also says

And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

yep. can't be lost.

 

[Sonic247]

Galations 5:4
ye were freed from the Christ, ye who in law are declared righteous; from the grace ye fell away;

He is tring to get them to realize they should stop following vain tradition because if they trusted in the law for there salvation they would be condemned.

 

[TheGreaterGame]

Nice try, but the fact of the matter is that I am not a Christian.
Nor do I even think/refer/claim/want/desire/delude myself as Christian.
Problem is that you jumped from the No True Scotsman to ad hominem, then as a last ditch effort, in that post, fall back on appeal to divinity.

Needless to say, I am not impressed.

I wasn't attacking the man as much as making a point that most people, at least in the U.S.A., would indeed consider themselves Christians, for a few reasons:

1. There Mom, There Dad, or Grandma was a Christian, therefore they are a Christian.
2. As a child they had some religous experiance, i.e., I prayed a sinners prayer or walked an isle.
3. They idenitfy themselves as Christian, because they have grown up in Church or a conservative household, but that has no bearing on there own personal relationship or faith in Jesus Christ.

 

[wizanda]

A christian is a follower of Jesus christ .

His name is Yeshua; that shows us how much you care, as asked the other day and informed you it is an insult...

 

[McBell]

He is tring to get them to realize they should stop following vain tradition because if they trusted in the law for there salvation they would be condemned.

I quoted the verse because Grimmjow asked for it to be quoted.

I wasn't attacking the man as much as making a point that most people, at least in the U.S.A., would indeed consider themselves Christians, for a few reasons:

1. There Mom, There Dad, or Grandma was a Christian, therefore they are a Christian.
2. As a child they had some religous experiance, i.e., I prayed a sinners prayer or walked an isle.
3. They idenitfy themselves as Christian, because they have grown up in Church or a conservative household, but that has no bearing on there own personal relationship or faith in Jesus Christ.

Your ad hominem was towards me with your "even Apathetic Theists think they are Christians these days" comment.