can God exist in imagination?

[Trailblazer]

I personally am glad that god exists.
Even if it is only in the imagination.
Cause there are far to many who have flat out stated that were it not for their fear of divine retribution, they would be out raping and stealing, and killing, etc. to their hearts content.

By that logic, it should be the atheists who are committing these acts, but I don't think so....
Go figure! ~ I often wonder how many people really believe in God and Judgement Day.
Oh wait, I almost forgot. Many believers are Christians so they are 'saved and forgiven' no matter what.

 

[McBell]

I think you have to mathematically understand it.

IT's big that it covers all existence, and nothing can't be found in him in terms of life amount or perfections or greatness.

There is also the view, it's higher to be necessary then not to, from the viewpoint of exaltedness and transcendence.

Huh?
Please point to where you mathematically shown anything.
Please understand that I am expecting to see math being used.
I mean, that is what mathematically means, right?

Nothing can be found of him outside the imagination.
Which is what I already said.

What does being "higher to be necessary then not to" even mean?

 

[Link]

Huh?
Please point to where you mathematically shown anything.
Please understand that I am expecting to see math being used.
I mean, that is what mathematically means, right?

Nothing can be found of him outside the imagination.
Which is what I already said.

What does being "higher to be necessary then not to" even mean?

It's how to grasp oneness of God mathematically. It means no other gods can exist with him, but why? It's the degree of absoluteness, the degree of highness, the degree of greatness, the degree of perfection, and the amount of life he has, doesn't allow it.

If you can grasp why God must be one if he exists, you can also see how he can't exist in imagination if he exists but would necessary and hence exist.

 

[McBell]

It's how to grasp oneness of God mathematically. It means no other gods can exist with him, but why? It's the degree of absoluteness, the degree of highness, the degree of greatness, the degree of perfection, and the amount of life he has, doesn't allow it.

If you can grasp why God must be one if he exists, you can also see how he can't exist in imagination if he exists but would necessary and hence exist.

So no math to present in your mathematical proof?
Lots of "degrees" though.
I am pretty sure you are not meaning the piece of paper given in academics.
Also pretty sure you are not talking about temperature.
Angles perhaps?
Latitude and or longitude?

 

[Muffled]

If God is real, unlike other things, he cannot be imagined to exist but only seen to exist. That it is impossible to imagine him as possibly not existing if God is real.

I can imagine myself existing or not existing, but God if real, cannot be imagined not to exist if he is real.

Now the question is when you remember God - what do you see, an impossible thing to exist or the Necessary being that lives and exists. Because there is no between that as proven by Anselm and Descartes.

God if he exists, would a be a proof of himself existing, because he would be the necessary being.

We cannot see God as impossible, in my view, which means he definitely exists and is the Necessary being and we are looking at the Living One.

I believe anything can be imagined but I never have done so. Why would I imagine Him when He is available to me all the time in reality.

 

[Muffled]

Is not imagining God the same as never imagining God?

We know that there are people that are raised in beliefs that do not believe in God. Those people may just consider God does not exist in the same way that most people don't think about the existence of giant, purple, flying ping pong balls roaming the skies.

It could also be that a person exists that has never heard of the concepts of God or gods.

Is imagining the non-existence of God the same as never imagining God at all?

I believe most people who don't believe in God are not using their imagination but are using faulty logic.

 

[Muffled]

I'm genuinely curious. What physical characteristics of god would let us know-everyone on earth-know it is real?

I'd say god is real in people's experiences, perceptions, dreams, and maybe imaginations, but if he is real, what does that mean?



I would assume you can imagine yourself because you are flesh and blood. You have a physical sense of what you are to imagine yourself existing or not. If god doesn't have characteristics like that, then yes, you can put pretty much any characteristic on god and because god is vague and complex, I can't see how one could imagine he exist or not exist.



From what I observe, it's not what you see, it's what you experience.

I would assume that god can't be conceived because he has no definition outside the mind and subjective perspectives of the individual who experiences it. Whether to see it greater or not depends on the person. A lot of people say it's greater because they can't understand and define god. I don't see it that way, but I don't see Anselm's conclusion as proof that god is real just that maybe the majority of people tend to feel they are small in a huge universe. Finding their place in the "greater scheme" of things.

Both arguments are based on assumptions and logical deductions not facts.



"Necessary" being? Something being necessary doesn't prove its existence. It's necessary that if I want to call someone I would need a phone. However, if I don't have a phone, regardless how much I need it doesn't mean it exists in front of me. Unless god is thought into existence?



This may be what you want to see and what's true in your view of course, but not what is true of what is unless, maybe, peer reviewed.

I wouldn't say imagination. Though, I do believe concepts of god are shaped into existence and change throughout the years via culture and people's biases and perspectives. Take away scripture, language, symbols, and so forth, what is left?

If it is god, how do you define it? (Not everyone believes god is something greater)

I believe Jesus would be the answer to that question.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I believe most people who don't believe in God are not using their imagination but are using faulty logic.

There have been many logical arguments concluding that God exists, but none has been sufficient so far.

 

[Link]

So no math to present in your mathematical proof?
Lots of "degrees" though.
I am pretty sure you are not meaning the piece of paper given in academics.
Also pretty sure you are not talking about temperature.
Angles perhaps?
Latitude and or longitude?

Yes, set theory, the guy who introduced it talked about why God is the highest level of infinity which people first said his theory was mathematically heresy because he said there are different levels of infinity in terms of amount. They said you can make different gods with God that way, but explained through absolute infinity, how eternal being is that, and there is but one God possible and even argued why he exists with all positive attributes to the absolute.

Look up set theory and do research what he said about God. Set theory is used in computer science and a lot of software won't work if it's not true.

 

[Link]

If you understand the highest infinity, you also know it exists, and has to.