Can Muslims take women as slaves and then rape them?

[2ndpillar]

They always paid well enough that foreign workers had enough money to support large extended families in their countries of origin.

The 3rd world country workers have little or nothing at home, and the little money the rich Arabs pays is better than nothing. The women know the risks, but feel they have little choice. The men may live in substandard housing, for grueling hours, for little pay, but they have no pay at home.

 

[stvdv]

An Imam has told his congregation in Wales that war is approaching and Islam allows them to take women as slaves and rape them.
UK Imam: War is Coming, Muslims Can Take Women As Sex Slaves

Is this a preamble to Zechariah 14:3 ?

Zechariah 14:2 2I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city.

I just use the "Golden Rule" ... "Do (not) unto others what you (do not) want others to do unto you"
So the Muslim men should ask themselves "If I were a woman, would I want to be raped?"
Spirituality is not so difficult ... people try all kind of loops to get their desires fulfilled
Muslims who rape women, obviously lack "Love, compassion and empathy"

 

[Cooky]

I don't have a Muslim cleric, you nitwit.. and clerics don't have authority.

'They raped every German female from eight to 80' | Books ...
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2002/may/01/news.features11
May 01, 2002 · 'They raped every German female from eight to 80'. Rape is the act of a conqueror, the feminist historian Susan Brownmiller observed, aimed at the "bodies of the defeated enemy's women" to emphasise his victory. Yet after the initial fury of January 1945 …

Who cares! That was before I was born.

 

[England my lionheart]

Of course they can,"what your right hand posseses" ,they can do whatever they want to slaves which it basically means,been that way throughout the history of slavery.

Afaik "what your right hand posseses" appears many times in the quran and Hadith.

 

[Audie]

Of course they can,"what your right hand posseses" ,they can do whatever they want to slaves which it basically means,been that way throughout the history of slavery.

Afaik "what your right hand posseses" appears many times in the quran and Hadith.

It is true that slavery has meant different things
in different times a places.

The biblical apologists who would have it that
"slaves" in biblical times were actually treated
nicely may be correct, in some instances.

In places like Dubai, Singapore and Hong Kong
there are a lot of domestic helpers from countries
such as Indonesia.

Some are treated very well, others, horribly.
Overworked, beaten, raped, fed dog food.
murdered.

Nobody can look back to biblical times and say
that slaves of Hebrews were consistently
treated better than plantation slaves of Haiti
in the day.

 

[ChristineM]

The cleric looks like Sascha Baron Cohen

That being said all one has to do is look to just about any conflict involving Muslims and rape and enslavement of people seems to be standard practice. There may be some who disagree whether or not it is condoned but I'd say past and present conflicts and their behaviours in them show the truth of the matter.

Same s happening right now in africa with anti balaka and the lra, both christian groups. In war driven by religion it is not only muslims who commit atrocities

 

[England my lionheart]

It is true that slavery has meant different things
in different times a places.

The biblical apologists who would have it that
"slaves" in biblical times were actually treated
nicely may be correct, in some instances.

In places like Dubai, Singapore and Hong Kong
there are a lot of domestic helpers from countries
such as Indonesia.

Some are treated very well, others, horribly.
Overworked, beaten, raped, fed dog food.
murdered.

Nobody can look back to biblical times and say
that slaves of Hebrews were consistently
treated better than plantation slaves of Haiti
in the day.

Human trafficking happens everywhere,they get abused too,Europe for sure and Mexicans into America,slavery is an ok thing for the abrahmics then there's the caste system in India,one could go on but when so called holy books set a precedent what can we do.

 

[2ndpillar]

I don't have a Muslim cleric, you nitwit.. and clerics don't have authority.

'They raped every German female from eight to 80' | Books ...
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2002/may/01/news.features11
May 01, 2002 · 'They raped every German female from eight to 80'. Rape is the act of a conqueror, the feminist historian Susan Brownmiller observed, aimed at the "bodies of the defeated enemy's women" to emphasise his victory. Yet after the initial fury of January 1945 …

You kind of miss the point. No Russian priest, or his Sermon on the Mount, was telling the Russians to rape Germans for raping their wives and mothers. On the other hand, as you do to others shall be done to yourself, which is much like do unto others as you would have them do unto you. As for the Moslem "clerics", they supposedly teach the words of their prophet.

 

[sooda]

The Iman is talking about an up and coming war. They kind of lost their last war where they seemed to assert Muslim ability to rape their captures in the name of their Allah. According to Zechariah 14, their last raping escapade will be on the women in Jerusalem in the up and coming day of Judgment (Joel 3:2) & (Zechariah 14) & (Revelation 16:13-16). My question is does the Iman have any Islam authority to sanction rape, and why are they speaking up now that they have just lost one war, and the warriors in the waiting to invade Jerusalem are the Iranians with their Russian, North Korea, and Pakistani technologies, all helped paid for by our friend Barrack Hussein Obama.

LOLOLOL.. Nope.. He's talking about 70 AD when the Roman legions descended on Jerusalem. Syrians, Egyptians and Arabs also fought under Titus and Vespasian because they were part of the Roman Empire.

"Christian" lies are still lies and slander against an innocent person. Ignorance is no excuse.

 

[74x12]

An Imam has told his congregation in Wales that war is approaching and Islam allows them to take women as slaves and rape them.
UK Imam: War is Coming, Muslims Can Take Women As Sex Slaves

Is this a preamble to Zechariah 14:3 ?

Zechariah 14:2 2I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city.

Yes, if they are fundamentalists. It's part of their religion.

 

[sooda]

Yes, if they are fundamentalists. It's part of their religion.

Oh God.. Fundamentalist in Islam and fundamentalist in Christianity means very different things. Hopeless. You don't know enough to discuss it.

 

[ManofIslam]

No they can't!!

 

[74x12]

Oh God.. Fundamentalist in Islam and fundamentalist in Christianity means very different things. Hopeless. You don't know enough to discuss it.

I know more than enough to discuss it.

 

[exchemist]

Your Muslim cleric is giving permission to rape before you have even been captured. As for Zechariah 14:2, that has to do with the LORD going forth to fight the nations, and the nations will be defeated by LORD and Judah, and Judah will gather the gold and silver of the nations after the nations die while standing on their feet (Zechariah 14:12-14). Your history and loyalties are a little muddled.

What do you know about Sooda's "loyalties"? And why would a Christian have "muslim cleric"? Can you not read?

 

[sooda]

The cleric looks like Sascha Baron Cohen

That being said all one has to do is look to just about any conflict involving Muslims and rape and enslavement of people seems to be standard practice. There may be some who disagree whether or not it is condoned but I'd say past and present conflicts and their behaviours in them show the truth of the matter.

1300 years ago a woman could not survive in Arabia without belonging to a family, tribe and clan.. It helps to know enough to understand context before you talk about truth. Of course the Welch Imam is stupid as a post. It goes back to Muhammed forbidding the exposure of infant girls.

 

[sooda]

I know more than enough to discuss it.

Fundamental Islam is the five pillars.

 

[England my lionheart]

This is interesting:

Question - 13737
In Ar-Raheeo Al Makhtum (The Sealed Nectar) the author says in the section called "The Prophet Household" that the Prophet (S.A.W.) had four concubines
1. Why is it that having concubines is not haram?
2. Can other muslims have concubines?.
Answer
Praise be to Allaah.
Allaah is Most Wise in the laws that He decrees for His slaves, but this wisdom is only apparent to those who seek it and believe that Allaah is All Wise, and looks at the interests that are served by the laws of Allaah which no man can see unless he ponders the matter, especially when there are those who attack those laws because they go against what they think are right and wise.

With regard to your question about it being permissible for a master to be intimate with his slave woman, the answer is that that is because Allaah has permitted it. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts, from illegal sexual acts)

6. Except from their wives or (the slaves) that their right hands possess, for then, they are free from blame”

What is the ruling on intimacy with slave women? - Islam Question & Answer

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

It appears that if a Muslim wants to rape captives, then
scripture is flexible enuf that it can be read to allow it.

Was ever truer statement made about scripture...on any topic at all?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

It became illegal in Saudi Arabia.

Not even close to being the majority of Muslims worldwide...

 

[sooda]

This is interesting:

Question - 13737
In Ar-Raheeo Al Makhtum (The Sealed Nectar) the author says in the section called "The Prophet Household" that the Prophet (S.A.W.) had four concubines
1. Why is it that having concubines is not haram?
2. Can other muslims have concubines?.
Answer
Praise be to Allaah.
Allaah is Most Wise in the laws that He decrees for His slaves, but this wisdom is only apparent to those who seek it and believe that Allaah is All Wise, and looks at the interests that are served by the laws of Allaah which no man can see unless he ponders the matter, especially when there are those who attack those laws because they go against what they think are right and wise.

With regard to your question about it being permissible for a master to be intimate with his slave woman, the answer is that that is because Allaah has permitted it. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts, from illegal sexual acts)

6. Except from their wives or (the slaves) that their right hands possess, for then, they are free from blame”

What is the ruling on intimacy with slave women? - Islam Question & Answer

You need a better definition of concubine.