Can Muslims take women as slaves and then rape them?

[England my lionheart]

You need a better definition of concubine.

How about slave or war booty?

 

[sooda]

Not even close to being the majority of Muslims worldwide...

Where in the Muslim world is slavery still legal?

 

[sooda]

How about slave or war booty?

In Judaism, a concubine is a marital companion of inferior status to a wife. A concubine among polygamous peoples is a secondary wife, usually of inferior rank. The prevalence of concubinage and the status of rights and expectations of a concubine have varied among cultures, as have the rights of children of a concubine.
Concubinage - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concubinage

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Where in the Muslim world is slavery still legal?

Didn't say there was. I just pointed out that you made a comment with respect to what Muslims can and can't do, but made it with specific reference to legality in Saudi Arabia.

And yet, despite the presumed "illegality" throughout the world, there are an estimated forty million people in enforced bondage or slavery, right now. I think it at least bears thinking about.

 

[England my lionheart]

In Judaism, a concubine is a marital companion of inferior status to a wife. A concubine among polygamous peoples is a secondary wife, usually of inferior rank. The prevalence of concubinage and the status of rights and expectations of a concubine have varied among cultures, as have the rights of children of a concubine.
Concubinage - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concubinage

Interesting story but not the subject of the thread,see the op.

The Quran:

. GHALI
O you paternal Prophet, surely We have made lawful for you your spouses to whom you have brought their rewards, and what your right hand possesses of what Allah has conceded you (as war prisoners), and the daughters of your paternal uncle, and the daughters of your paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncle, and the daughters of your maternal aunts maternal who have emigrated with you, and (any) believing woman (Literally: wife) in case she bestows herself to the Prophet, in case the Prophet is willing to marry her. (Or: marry her anyone) (This is) for you exclusively, apart from the believers. We already know what We have ordained upon them concerning their spouses and what their hands possess, so that there may be no restriction on you. And Allah has been Ever-Forgiving, Ever-Merciful.
SHAKIR
O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those whom your right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who fled with you; and a believing woman if she gave herself to the Prophet, if the Prophet desired to marry her-- specially for you, not for the (rest of) believers; We know what We have ordained for them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess in order that no blame may attach to you; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
POLISH
O Proroku! My uznaliśmy za dozwolone dla ciebie żony, którym dałeś wiana, i niewolnice, które ci darował Bóg jako zdobycz, i córki twojego stryja, i córki twoich ciotek ze strony ojca, i córki twojego wuja ze strony matki, i córki twoich ciotek ze strony matki, które wywędrowały razem z tobą; i kobietę wierzącą, jeśli ona sama ofiaruje się Prorokowi, o ile Prorok zechce ją pojąć za żonę. To jest dozwolone tylko dla ciebie z wyłączeniem innych wiernych. My wiemy, co ustanowiliśmy dla nich w sprawie ich żon i ich niewolnic - tak abyś nie czuł się skrępowany. Bóg jest Przebaczający, Litościwy!
MUHSIN KHAN
O Prophet (Muhammad SAW)! Verily, We have made lawful to you your wives, to whom you have paid their Mahr (bridal money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage), and those (captives or slaves) whom your right hand possesses - whom Allah has given to you, and the daughters of your 'Amm (paternal uncles) and the daughters of your 'Ammah (paternal aunts) and the daughters of your Khal (maternal uncles) and the daughters of your Khalah (maternal aunts) who migrated (from Makkah) with you, and a believing woman if she offers herself to the Prophet, and the Prophet wishes to marry her; a privilege for you only, not for the (rest of) the believers. Indeed We know what We have enjoined upon them about their wives and those (captives or slaves) whom their right hands possess, - in order that there should be no difficulty on you. And Allah is Ever OftForgiving, Most Merciful.
PICKTHALL
O Prophet! Lo! We have made lawful unto thee thy wives unto whom thou hast paid their dowries, and those whom thy right hand possesseth of those whom Allah hath given thee as spoils of war, and the daughters of thine uncle on the father's side and the daughters of thine aunts on the father's side, and the daughters of thine uncle on the mother's side and the daughters of thine aunts on the mother's side who emigrated with thee, and a believing woman if she give herself unto the Prophet and the Prophet desire to ask her in marriage - a privilege for thee only, not for the (rest of) believers - We are Aware of that which We enjoined upon them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess - that thou mayst be free from blame, for Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.
SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
O Prophet, indeed We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have given their due compensation and those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you [of captives] and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you and a believing woman if she gives herself to the Prophet [and] if the Prophet wishes to marry her, [this is] only for you, excluding the [other] believers. We certainly know what We have made obligatory upon them concerning their wives and those their right hands possess, [but this is for you] in order that there will be upon you no discomfort. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.
YUSUF ALI
O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
MUFTI TAQI USMANI
O prophet, We have made lawful for you all your wives whom you have given their dowers, and those (bondwomen) whom you own, out of the captives Allah has given to you as spoils of war, and daughters of your paternal uncle, and daughters of your paternal aunts, and daughters of your maternal uncle, and daughters of your maternal aunts, who have migrated with you, and a believing woman who offers herself for (marrying) the prophet without dower, if the prophet wishes to bring her into his marriage, these rules being exclusive for you, and not for the (rest of the) believers,- We know what We have prescribed for them in respect of their wives and the slave-girls they own - so that there should be no difficulty for you. Allah is Most-Forgiving, Very-Merciful.
ABDUL HALEEM
Prophet, We have made lawful for you the wives whose bride gift you have paid, and any slaves God has assigned to you through war, and the daughters of your uncles and aunts on your father’s and mother’s sides, who migrated with you. Also any believing woman who has offered herself to the Prophet and whom the Prophet wishes to wed- this is only for you [Prophet] and not the rest of the believers: We know exactly what We have made obligatory for them concerning their wives and slave-girls- so you should not be blamed: God is most forgiving, most merciful.
ABUL ALA MAUDUDI(WITH TAFSIR)
(33:50) O Prophet, We have made lawful for you your wives whose bridal dues you have paid,7 and the slave-girls you possess from among the prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and maternal aunts who have migrated with you, and a believing woman who gives herself to the Prophet and whom he wants to take in marriage.8 (O Prophet), this privilege is yours alone to the exclusion of other believers.9 We know well what restrictions We have imposed upon them as regards their wives and those whom their right hands possess, (and have exempted you from those restrictions) that there may be no constraint upon you.0 Allah is Most Forgiving, Most Merciful.
DR. MUSTAFA KHATTAB, THE CLEAR QURAN
O Prophet! We have made lawful for you your wives to whom you have paid their ˹full˺ dowries as well as those ˹bondwomen˺ in your possession, whom Allah has granted you. And ˹you are allowed to marry˺ the daughters of your paternal uncles and aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and aunts, who have emigrated like you. Also ˹allowed for marriage is˺ a believing woman who offers herself to the Prophet ˹without dowry˺ if he is interested in marrying her—˹this is˺ exclusively for you, not for the rest of the believers. We know well what ˹rulings˺ We have ordained for the believers in relation to their wives and those ˹bondwomen˺ in their possession. As such, there would be no blame on you. And Allah is All-Forgiving, Most M

So there's some interpretations,it's their God's words.

 

[sooda]

Interesting story but not the subject of the thread,see the op.

The Quran:

. GHALI
O you paternal Prophet, surely We have made lawful for you your spouses to whom you have brought their rewards, and what your right hand possesses of what Allah has conceded you (as war prisoners), and the daughters of your paternal uncle, and the daughters of your paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncle, and the daughters of your maternal aunts maternal who have emigrated with you, and (any) believing woman (Literally: wife) in case she bestows herself to the Prophet, in case the Prophet is willing to marry her. (Or: marry her anyone) (This is) for you exclusively, apart from the believers. We already know what We have ordained upon them concerning their spouses and what their hands possess, so that there may be no restriction on you. And Allah has been Ever-Forgiving, Ever-Merciful.
SHAKIR
O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those whom your right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who fled with you; and a believing woman if she gave herself to the Prophet, if the Prophet desired to marry her-- specially for you, not for the (rest of) believers; We know what We have ordained for them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess in order that no blame may attach to you; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
POLISH
O Proroku! My uznaliśmy za dozwolone dla ciebie żony, którym dałeś wiana, i niewolnice, które ci darował Bóg jako zdobycz, i córki twojego stryja, i córki twoich ciotek ze strony ojca, i córki twojego wuja ze strony matki, i córki twoich ciotek ze strony matki, które wywędrowały razem z tobą; i kobietę wierzącą, jeśli ona sama ofiaruje się Prorokowi, o ile Prorok zechce ją pojąć za żonę. To jest dozwolone tylko dla ciebie z wyłączeniem innych wiernych. My wiemy, co ustanowiliśmy dla nich w sprawie ich żon i ich niewolnic - tak abyś nie czuł się skrępowany. Bóg jest Przebaczający, Litościwy!
MUHSIN KHAN
O Prophet (Muhammad SAW)! Verily, We have made lawful to you your wives, to whom you have paid their Mahr (bridal money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage), and those (captives or slaves) whom your right hand possesses - whom Allah has given to you, and the daughters of your 'Amm (paternal uncles) and the daughters of your 'Ammah (paternal aunts) and the daughters of your Khal (maternal uncles) and the daughters of your Khalah (maternal aunts) who migrated (from Makkah) with you, and a believing woman if she offers herself to the Prophet, and the Prophet wishes to marry her; a privilege for you only, not for the (rest of) the believers. Indeed We know what We have enjoined upon them about their wives and those (captives or slaves) whom their right hands possess, - in order that there should be no difficulty on you. And Allah is Ever OftForgiving, Most Merciful.
PICKTHALL
O Prophet! Lo! We have made lawful unto thee thy wives unto whom thou hast paid their dowries, and those whom thy right hand possesseth of those whom Allah hath given thee as spoils of war, and the daughters of thine uncle on the father's side and the daughters of thine aunts on the father's side, and the daughters of thine uncle on the mother's side and the daughters of thine aunts on the mother's side who emigrated with thee, and a believing woman if she give herself unto the Prophet and the Prophet desire to ask her in marriage - a privilege for thee only, not for the (rest of) believers - We are Aware of that which We enjoined upon them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess - that thou mayst be free from blame, for Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.
SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
O Prophet, indeed We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have given their due compensation and those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you [of captives] and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you and a believing woman if she gives herself to the Prophet [and] if the Prophet wishes to marry her, [this is] only for you, excluding the [other] believers. We certainly know what We have made obligatory upon them concerning their wives and those their right hands possess, [but this is for you] in order that there will be upon you no discomfort. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.
YUSUF ALI
O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
MUFTI TAQI USMANI
O prophet, We have made lawful for you all your wives whom you have given their dowers, and those (bondwomen) whom you own, out of the captives Allah has given to you as spoils of war, and daughters of your paternal uncle, and daughters of your paternal aunts, and daughters of your maternal uncle, and daughters of your maternal aunts, who have migrated with you, and a believing woman who offers herself for (marrying) the prophet without dower, if the prophet wishes to bring her into his marriage, these rules being exclusive for you, and not for the (rest of the) believers,- We know what We have prescribed for them in respect of their wives and the slave-girls they own - so that there should be no difficulty for you. Allah is Most-Forgiving, Very-Merciful.
ABDUL HALEEM
Prophet, We have made lawful for you the wives whose bride gift you have paid, and any slaves God has assigned to you through war, and the daughters of your uncles and aunts on your father’s and mother’s sides, who migrated with you. Also any believing woman who has offered herself to the Prophet and whom the Prophet wishes to wed- this is only for you [Prophet] and not the rest of the believers: We know exactly what We have made obligatory for them concerning their wives and slave-girls- so you should not be blamed: God is most forgiving, most merciful.
ABUL ALA MAUDUDI(WITH TAFSIR)
(33:50) O Prophet, We have made lawful for you your wives whose bridal dues you have paid,7 and the slave-girls you possess from among the prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and maternal aunts who have migrated with you, and a believing woman who gives herself to the Prophet and whom he wants to take in marriage.8 (O Prophet), this privilege is yours alone to the exclusion of other believers.9 We know well what restrictions We have imposed upon them as regards their wives and those whom their right hands possess, (and have exempted you from those restrictions) that there may be no constraint upon you.0 Allah is Most Forgiving, Most Merciful.
DR. MUSTAFA KHATTAB, THE CLEAR QURAN
O Prophet! We have made lawful for you your wives to whom you have paid their ˹full˺ dowries as well as those ˹bondwomen˺ in your possession, whom Allah has granted you. And ˹you are allowed to marry˺ the daughters of your paternal uncles and aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and aunts, who have emigrated like you. Also ˹allowed for marriage is˺ a believing woman who offers herself to the Prophet ˹without dowry˺ if he is interested in marrying her—˹this is˺ exclusively for you, not for the rest of the believers. We know well what ˹rulings˺ We have ordained for the believers in relation to their wives and those ˹bondwomen˺ in their possession. As such, there would be no blame on you. And Allah is All-Forgiving, Most M

So there's some interpretations,it's their God's words.

The link goes on to discuss concubines in Islam.

Modern times[edit]
According to the rules of Islamic Fiqh, what is halal (permitted) by Allah in the Quran cannot be altered by any authority or individual. Therefore, although the concept of concubinage is halal, concubines are mostly no longer available in this modern era nor allowed to be sold or purchased in accordance with the latest human rights standards.

It is further clarified that all domestic and organizational female employees are not concubines in this era and hence sex is forbidden with them unless Nikah,[59] Nikah mut‘ah[60] or Nikah Misyar is committed through the proper channels.

 

[sooda]

Didn't say there was. I just pointed out that you made a comment with respect to what Muslims can and can't do, but made it with specific reference to legality in Saudi Arabia.

And yet, despite the presumed "illegality" throughout the world, there are an estimated forty million people in enforced bondage or slavery, right now. I think it at least bears thinking about.

We sure have a problem in Atlanta where 4,000 underaged girls aare trafficked every night.


Primarily, non-Muslim women taken as prisoners of war were made concubines as happened after the Battle of the Trench,[57] or in numerous later Caliphates.[58] It was encouraged to manumit slave women who rejected their initial faith and embraced Islam, or to bring them into formal marriage.

Concubinage - Wikipedia

 

[England my lionheart]

The link goes on to discuss concubines in Islam.

Modern times[edit]
According to the rules of Islamic Fiqh, what is halal (permitted) by Allah in the Quran cannot be altered by any authority or individual. Therefore, although the concept of concubinage is halal, concubines are mostly no longer available in this modern era nor allowed to be sold or purchased in accordance with the latest human rights standards.

It is further clarified that all domestic and organizational female employees are not concubines in this era and hence sex is forbidden with them unless Nikah,[59] Nikah mut‘ah[60] or Nikah Misyar is committed through the proper channels.

Another good story but isn't the Quran the ultimate guide on this issue?,I haven't posted any Hadith on this issue,what's your opinion on the quranic verse posted?.

 

[Unguru]

All of this hostility against Muslims is getting tiring, for christs sake

 

[The_Fisher_King]

An Imam has told his congregation in Wales that war is approaching and Islam allows them to take women as slaves and rape them.
UK Imam: War is Coming, Muslims Can Take Women As Sex Slaves

Is this a preamble to Zechariah 14:3 ?

Zechariah 14:2 2I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city.

I don't believe so, no.

 

[sooda]

Another good story but isn't the Quran the ultimate guide on this issue?,I haven't posted any Hadith on this issue,what's your opinion on the quranic verse posted?.

I think its forbidden in modern times.


Your slaves are your brothers and your attendants. Allah has placed them in your hands. Whoever has his brother under him should feed him with the same food he eats, clothe him with the same clothes he wears, and not burden him beyond his ability. If you burden him, then help him.

Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 30, Grade: Muttafaqun Alayhi

 

[England my lionheart]

All of this hostility against Muslims is getting tiring, for christs sake

How is questioning hostility?,if Islam is as good as claimed it will easily rebuff any question or critism.

 

[England my lionheart]

I think its forbidden in modern times.


Your slaves are your brothers and your attendants. Allah has placed them in your hands. Whoever has his brother under him should feed him with the same food he eats, clothe him with the same clothes he wears, and not burden him beyond his ability. If you burden him, then help him.

Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 30, Grade: Muttafaqun Alayhi

But the Quran wasn't authored in modern times by their god.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

We sure have a problem in Atlanta where 4,000 underaged girls aare trafficked every night.


Primarily, non-Muslim women taken as prisoners of war were made concubines as happened after the Battle of the Trench,[57] or in numerous later Caliphates.[58] It was encouraged to manumit slave women who rejected their initial faith and embraced Islam, or to bring them into formal marriage.

Concubinage - Wikipedia

I think there's an important point hidden away in here...and it is far, far bigger than just Islam or any religion. Throughout much of human history, and right up until today, marriage and parentage have been so often much more about property rights, territory, and so forth, than about anything even remotely resembling love and family. How many kings and nobles have entered into arranged marriages, done their "duty" on a woman that revolted them to produce the next owner of the title, only to go on and spend most of their time doing what they enjoy, with whom they enjoy it, leaving the revolting woman to suffer, usually carefully guarded, a life of loneliness?

Good heavens, even Prince Charles, the next King of England and father and grandfather of 2 futures kings, did as much (although I suspect Diana wasn't revolting). And even here, well, he's a man, so he's forgiven. Diana, you can trust me on this, never would have been forgiven for her infidelity, had she not been wise enough to die.

Funny thing....although I really like men, I'm glad as can be that I'm not a woman!

 

[sooda]

All of this hostility against Muslims is getting tiring, for christs sake

Hatred always exacerbates ignorance.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Out of curiosity, while the question of taking females as slaves, concubines, having them against their will and so forth has been debated several times here, what are the rules for a gay man like me, would prefer to take a defeated male enemy as slave, concubine and so on.

By which I mean to ask...why treat women differently than men? Why should the rules be different?

 

[sooda]

Out of curiosity, while the question of taking females as slaves, concubines, having them against their will and so forth has been debated several times here, what are the rules for a gay man like me, would prefer to take a defeated male enemy as slave, concubine and so on.

By which I mean to ask...why treat women differently than men? Why should the rules be different?

I think you would be OK with the Pashtun in Afghanistan.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Who cares! That was before I was born.

I dread to ask, but are you serious?

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Out of curiosity, while the question of taking females as slaves, concubines, having them against their will and so forth has been debated several times here, what are the rules for a gay man like me, would prefer to take a defeated male enemy as slave, concubine and so on.

By which I mean to ask...why treat women differently than men? Why should the rules be different?

It's traditional to claim to be straight while raping enemy male combatants. The rape itself is less troublesome to your fellow soldiers than your homosexuality.

(Said both with tongue in cheek and a grain of truth based on how f***ed up humans have acted)

 

[Aupmanyav]

They always paid well enough that foreign workers had enough money to support large extended families in their countries of origin.

They have also tortured them, used many as sex slaves, kept their passports and denied them their wages, so that the governments of the third world countries had to intervene. In the brgain, they have induced these people to be terrorists. I wonder, why India has not made stricter rules for employment of their citizen in these countries. Perhaps after the formation of the new government in May 2019.