AbuQuteiba
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yuvgotmel said:
The verse speaks about Pagans who choose to fight Islam. They're the ones that cannot be tolerated. The "unless they change over to Islam" is not there though.
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The verse speaks about Pagans who choose to fight Islam. They're the ones that cannot be tolerated. The "unless they change over to Islam" is not there though.
AbuQuteiba
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yuvgotmel said:
[4] (But the treaties are) not dissolved with those Pagans with whom ye have entered into alliance and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided anyone against you. So fulfil your engagements with them to the end of their term: for Allah loveth the righteous.
[5] But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
[6] If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.[9.5]
The Qur'an is always clear, once you read the whole thing.
Mujahid Mohammed
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Do you know the tafsir or exegesis of this ayat. Of course not. who are the pagans the book of Allah is talking about. Now do some history of how the pagan meccans treated the muslims and what they did to get the penalty of death. As I said and many others. Why if this is the rule to kill all pagans unless they change did not the Messenger carry out this order. Why did he not slaughter some of the inhabitants of Medina, the people of at Taif, Yemen and other places when they were still on the same path as Quraish (meccans). Why? Because you need to know the history of the revelation to get the clear understanding of the rulings and meaning of the Quran. The Quran was revealed over his lifetime and it was among many other things in response to things people said, or things that happened or addressing a mistake the muslims made and how to correct it. Or it was giving them an order or response to certain people who did certain things.yuvgotmel said:
give me the link for it. thanks.
Mujahid Mohammed
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As I said you need the tafsir of this ayat. This ayat is addressing certain pagans who have done certain things. Please understand that the context of the Quran is understood in the manner the Messenger of Allah and his companions carried out the orders of the book. For they had the complete and deep understanding of it. They understood it better then you and I. They lived it. It was revealed in their time for things happening to them. You and I and everybody muslims included must understand it according to that measure.yuvgotmel said:
Read this post. The Authority and Importance of the Sunnah - Religious Education
Hope this helps peace.
Oh my !, this thread still on the spot, didn't notice. 
A "religious scripture" is not a newspaper dear Mel. You can't just take anything of it out of context.
Can you please read this link below if you don't mind. You will find everything in details in there.
Slay them wherever ye find them "killing the infidel"
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36419
yuvgotmel said:
A "religious scripture" is not a newspaper dear Mel. You can't just take anything of it out of context.
Can you please read this link below if you don't mind. You will find everything in details in there.
Slay them wherever ye find them "killing the infidel"
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36419