Can Real Peace Exist between Christianity and Islam?

[Navigator]

That sentiment is unfortunately just what causes all the strife between religions around the world. It's a false statement, I assume it is from ignorance and misuderstanding rather than malice.

"We have erewhile declared -- and Our Word is the truth -- : "Consort with the followers of all religions in a spirit of friendliness and fellowship." Whatsoever hath led the children of men to shun one another, and hath caused dissensions and divisions amongst them, hath, through the revelation of these words, been nullified and abolished. From the heaven of God's Will, and for the purpose of ennobling the world of being and of elevating the minds and souls of men, hath been sent down that which is the most effective instrument for the education of the whole human race. The highest essence and most perfect expression of whatsoever the peoples of old have either said or written hath, through this most potent Revelation, been sent down from the heaven of the Will of the All-Possessing, the Ever-Abiding God. Of old it hath been revealed: "Love of one's country is an element of the Faith of God." The Tongue of Grandeur hath, however, in the day of His manifestation proclaimed: "It is not his to boast who loveth his country, but it is his who loveth the world." Through the power released by these exalted words He hath lent a fresh impulse, and set a new direction, to the birds of men's hearts, and hath obliterated every trace of restriction and limitation from God's holy Book."
(Baha'u'llah, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah, p. 95)

Regards,
Scott

That may be what Baha'u'llah says but not the Quran.

 

[TashaN]

A devout Muslim cannot follow the Quran and be peaceful or equal to any other religion or belief.

This is so false. Back it up or back off.

 

[Sunstone]

A devout Muslim cannot follow the Quran and be peaceful or equal to any other religion or belief.

I second The Truth on this one. What's your support for that statement?

 

[TashaN]

Whilst I find your message a wonderful one to read, I wonder if you feel that you really are talking for the majority of Muslims ?

Why would you think that the majority of Muslims aren't the way sis. Laila described?

Bar one ot two members here, the usual thread that seems to be posted by Muyslims is "You are all wrong because you say that Jesus is God; that is heresy, and you will be punished"

So you concluded that most of the Muslim members in RF are like that?

 

[TashaN]

Dear Paul, The verses are out of context and you didn't even use an authorise translation. I believe that you won't like if i did the same with the bible, don't you?

it is so hard for a Christian to practice their religion there, they can not repair their churches or build new ones in many of these countries (not all).

For God's sake. You first say Muslims bla bla then you say (not all). Do you want to talk about the teaching of Islam or about specific countries. Now choose please.

To convert to Christianity often means punishment of death by a family member or even to marry a Christian the same.

I don't know where do you get these things from. No one is allowed to kill anybody whatever the reason is and regarding marrying a christian, my finace was Christian and i never forced her to convert to Islam. She kept asking me like you about things which she was confused about from time to another, then later on after one and half year she chose "by her own will" to revert to Islam.

BTW, no body killed me for that.

But I am at least happy to have them for friends and be civil and discuss things peacefully and if that attitude was spread throughout all then there would be no killing.

Are you saying "if"?

Did you read the history of minority christians and jews living in peace within the majority muslim community in the past until now?

So long as some divide the world in to two sections namely the House of Islam and the House of War. The former is composed of all devout Muslim and the latter everyone else. Then there will be no peace.

I don't know why you keep saying things, assuming it to be plain facts. I really have no idea.

It's not a question of how I understand them but how some (many) muslims today understand them, the koran is not read by them as merely historical literature

And why should they read it as so called "merely historical literature"?

If that's the way you read the bible so i won't blame you but for us Muslims, the Quran is for everyday life and guidance for all human beings, not just now but till the day of judgment.

large majorities do not want this unless it is on the condition that they are superior and acknowledged as such by oppressive taxes and restricitions on meeting together. This is still practised today in many places so those people do not read their vesres (not to mention hadiths) as merely historical.

I don't understand, sometimes you try to make a point about Islam and Muslims then you go back and say "some only some of them" mixing things together, which makes me wonder whether you are talking about the teaching of Islam or about specific muslim countries !!!

 

[TashaN]

For example if I came and preached the gospel publicly in some muslim countries and declared that the death and ressurection of Jesus Christ is our only means of atonememt with God the Father, how long would I last?

This is a very good example about Christian missionaries.

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44266

Tell me if it was acceptable to do such thing. Of course, not all of them are like that but there are specific rules in every country and everyone must respect that and believe me, no one will kill you if you did so, if it was ok to do in some countries it might not be tolerated to do so in some other countries. It's not only about islam or muslims but it's the same thing in many other non-muslim countries.

What if some believed me, would i be invited to a reasoned debate and discussion? NO, I would be imprisoned and or murdered. Yet love and scripture constraines me to try and make disciples for Jesus Christ.

The discussions and debates between Christian and Muslim scholars are still occuring in most of muslim countries. The proof is the Quran itself.

[125] Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance. (Quran 16:125)

One must understand why they are still in existence. Answer because the koran says so therefore justifes this unjust financial gain.

Prove it.

Any tax for holding a religious belief for which certain religions do not get taxed is oppressive, it is financial oppression and humiliation

Can you please read this link to know in details about this tax thing you are talking about?

When the Catholics re-conquered Spain from the Muslims, they instituted a reign of religious terror. The Jews and the Muslims were presented with a cruel choice: to become Christians, to be massacred or to leave. And where did the hundreds of thousand of Jews, who refused to abandon their faith, escape? Almost all of them were received with open arms in the Muslim countries. The Sephardi ("Spanish") Jews settled all over the Muslim world, from Morocco in the west to Iraq in the east, from Bulgaria (then part of the Ottoman Empire) in the north to Sudan in the south. Nowhere were they persecuted. They knew nothing like the tortures of the Inquisition, the flames of the auto-da-fe, the pogroms, the terrible mass-expulsions that took place in almost all Christian countries, up to the Holocaust.

Why? Because Islam expressly prohibited any persecution of the "peoples of the book". In Islamic society, a special place was reserved for Jews and Christians. They did not enjoy completely equal rights, but almost. They had to pay a special poll-tax, but were exempted from military service - a trade-off that was quite welcome to many Jews. It has been said that Muslim rulers frowned upon any attempt to convert Jews to Islam even by gentle persuasion - because it entailed the loss of taxes.
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39491

Read also in post # 44 & 48 in this link below to know more about this tax you mentioned, guess what, it doesn't exist anymore:

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39491

Do you know what the Quran says about the Christians? did you get into the part yet, or you have been busy with reading wrong information about Islam from anti-muslim sites?

[82] ... nearest among them in love to the Believers wilt thou find those who say, "We are Christians": because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.

[83] And when they listen to the revelation received by the Messenger, thou wilt see their eyes overflowing with tears, for they recognise the truth: they pray: "Our Lord! we believe; write us down among the witnesses. (Quran 5:82-83)

Please read this:

How did Prophet Muhammad relate to Christians?
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37696

Slay them wherever ye find them "killing the infidel"
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36419


Finally,

7 Reasons to Read the Glorious Quran
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37693


Peace and blessing,

TT

 

[Radio Frequency X]

The vast majority of Muslims want what the vast majority of human beings want. To live in peace and prosperity. However, the Islamic World hasn't learned yet how to do this. It's their governments that instigate the violence. It's their governments that refuse to give them secular educations. And it's religious leaders that make their living off of hate-speech that screw with the publics perspective. It's extremely difficult to find anything true about the west in the Arab world.

But this doesn't say anything about Muslims. Look at Muslims in America. They are no different, no more violent, no more or less anything than Christians, Jews, Hindus, and Pagans in America. They love peace, they are kind, and they are tolerant. If Muslims in the Arab world lived in a culture and political system like we have here in America, chances are they would be the same way.

 

[sister M]

Carlosox

The crux of both these religions is that their individual religion is the only religion that is the true, and all others lead to hell.

I think when we discuss faith, we have to be honest. I have not problem whatsoever with that Christians believes that I will end up in Hell or more correctly perhaps that I 'will not be with God' but die. That is honest as I see it.

I from my point of view will also be honest, and say that the one that do not follow Islam are in great danger of missing Paradise.

BUT believing or having found the true faith of one owns does not mean that there are not other ways for others to take. We cannot force people to only take one Path, even if that may be our wish. It doesn't work that way. We must take in consideration that we also have a free will. If we had not, we would all be 'programmed' what Path to take. But we are not. So we go wherever we like. Our choice.

Christians will never budge from the fact that Christ is the only son of God and that salvation is only possible through him. Muslims on the other hand claim there is no God but Allah, and that Mohammad is His only true messenger.

Just one thing, Muslims believe in all previous messengers and prophets. They are all sent by Allah SWT/God/G-d. But the prophet Muhammad pbuh is the messenger that was sent to forward the message of Islam, the Qur'an.

The time will come I believe, that both these religions will be modified to different forms, possibly by Hinduism and Buddhism, to such states that the radicle beliefs of both will be moderated to an extent where peace is possible betweem them.

I don't agree with you. Christianity has already been reformed in many ways. Islam has not. Nothing has changed. And I am convinced nothing would change either if also Islam would have to be reformed. I don't believe it is the right solution to go by.

Better would be to accept one another, our differences, to let it all rest and let Allah SWT/God/G-d be the One that will give us the verdict in the end, who did right and who did wrong.

In the meantime, I prefer this,
''O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things). '' The Qur'an 49:13

 

[sister M]

A devout Muslim cannot follow the Quran and be peaceful or equal to any other religion or belief.

That is not true. I see myself to be very devouted. I try to follow the Qur'an, I am peaceful - I get along with people from different faiths and none faiths.

To my view Islam is the only religion that is right before Allah SWT. That is part of my faith. But I have no problem with that others do not believe the same, or do not follow Islam. It is not for me to judge.

 

[Popeyesays]

The vast majority of Muslims want what the vast majority of human beings want. To live in peace and prosperity. However, the Islamic World hasn't learned yet how to do this. It's their governments that instigate the violence. It's their governments that refuse to give them secular educations. And it's religious leaders that make their living off of hate-speech that screw with the publics perspective. It's extremely difficult to find anything true about the west in the Arab world.

But this doesn't say anything about Muslims. Look at Muslims in America. They are no different, no more violent, no more or less anything than Christians, Jews, Hindus, and Pagans in America. They love peace, they are kind, and they are tolerant. If Muslims in the Arab world lived in a culture and political system like we have here in America, chances are they would be the same way.

Actually it's the clergy in Islam that manipulates not just the people but the governments by playing them off one against the other. No where is there a better example of this than Iran.

Once the clergy successfully manipulates the governments they use the power of the angry mob to maintain their control, and uses the hag-ridden governments they have created to control the mobs.

True Islam is submission before God, not submission before the Mullahs. True submission to God will bring about peace.

I agree largely with the good sister who writes above, and her quote from the Qur'an is beautiful and should be taken to heart.

Unfortunately, the Mullahs would see me as the worst kind of heretic. Their decision is largely based on the fact that if my religion should prosper it threatens the hammer lock the extremist clergy has developed on religion. That hammerlock is all they desire.

The only escape for those who have given up their freedom and thought to the power-hungry mullahs is to realize that they have never benefited spiritually or materially from the connection.

Regards,

Scott
Scott

 

[MdmSzdWhtGuy]

Unless and until Islam goes through something similar to the Christian Reformation, I don't think there is much chance of there being large scale peace between Christianity and Islam. Even afterwards, it may not be likely. From an outsider's perspective (me being neither a Christian nor a Muslim) it appears to me, that Islam, on a Politico/Religious spectrum is situated in a place similar to Christianity prior to the Reformation.

Mideavel Europe was dominated by the Church in much the same way that Islam dominates the political and social structures of many Muslim countries today. During the Middle Ages, countless tens if not hundreds of thousands suffered under the Theocracy of the times, whether it was Jews suffering Pogrommes, Heretics/Jews suffering under the Inquisitions, Muslims suffering through The Crusades, accused witches suffering under accusations of witchcraft, etc. etc. etc. . . .

I watch in horror at video clips on the internet at sites such as TheNausea.com which shows what is going on in North Africa, The Middle East, etc. . . . and see people getting hands and feet cut off, Jews such as Daniel Pearl getting their heads cut off with a butcher's knife, Infidels such as Nick Berg suffering the same fate, and I am overwhelmed by the similarities in what is going on in modern times in the Islamic world and what happened in the Dark Ages of Christian Europe.

Fortunately for those of us who live in the West, Christianity underwent the Reformation, and a great deal of The Church's stranglehold on society gave way to a more enlightened way of thinking. Sadly, for a large portion of the world currently under Islamic control, they are still under a similar stranglehold, which has yet to be lifted.

Anyone preaching that they have the one and only way, is setting themselves and theri group up for a big conflict with any group who beleives differently. When you have two or more different groups saying that they have the ONLY keys to the gates of Heaven, well, you have what we see in the world today, which, frankly is a sad state of affairs.

B.

 

[*Paul*]

Dear Paul, The verses are out of context and you didn't even use an authorise translation. I believe that you won't like if i did the same with the bible, don't you?

Just how many translations are there exactly? I always get muslims come to me going on about different bible versions and how the koran is so different, so i go to a website with an online koran and what do you know it's not the right one, so i'll try another one and see if it says much different.

For God's sake. You first say Muslims bla bla then you say (not all). Do you want to talk about the teaching of Islam or about specific countries. Now choose please.

I have been careful not to tar everyone with the same brush here, that has been at the forefront of my mind.

I don't know where do you get these things from. No one is allowed to kill anybody whatever the reason is and regarding marrying a christian, my finace was Christian and i never forced her to convert to Islam.

Tahweed Volume 9, Book 93, Number 527:
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:
Should I live till they appear, I would kill them as the Killing of the nation of 'Ad."
Al diyat:
Volume 9, Book 83, Number 24: Narrated Anas bin Malik:
The Prophet killed a Jew for killing a girl in order to take her orna

http://www.worldandi.com/newhome/public/2003/may/clpub.asp
http://www.amnestyusa.org/magazine/summer_2003/legalized_murder/
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/02/0212_020212_honorkilling.html
Thre have been so called honour killings in my country against WOMEN who marry (or try to) outside of their faith. By the way, the part I have emboldened is absolute error.

BTW, no body killed me for that.

I've never heard of it happen to a man unless he renounces his faith.

Did you read the history of minority christians and jews living in peace within the majority muslim community in the past until now?

Which is why I have not made sweeping statements including every muslim country or community.

And why should they read it as so called "merely historical literature"?

That was my point, i wasn't saying that you do or should.

If that's the way you read the bible so i won't blame you but for us Muslims, the Quran is for everyday life and guidance for all human beings, not just now but till the day of judgment.

I view the bible the same way.

I don't understand, sometimes you try to make a point about Islam and Muslims then you go back and say "some only some of them" mixing things together, which makes me wonder whether you are talking about the teaching of Islam or about specific muslim countries !!!

Well Islam is pacticed in differnent ways in different parts of the world, where I live there is a real mixture as we have immigrants from all over the world and muslim mosques have different tempraments. Some want to reach out ot the community and be a part of the country while others want to alienate the muslims and invite mad preachers who spew their disgust at the west and it's ways and recruit youngsters in particular.

 

[*Paul*]

This is a very good example about Christian missionaries.

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44266

If it is true then God will judge those people for what they did, and they clearly do not understand the faith they profess and if they had been truly born again they would tremble at the thought of dishonouring God and His religion this way.

Tell me if it was acceptable to do such thing.

Absolutley not, such an action disgusts me and if it was a missionary i was supporting financialy i would withdraw it immediatly and write to other churches to do the same lest they dishonour Gods name further.

But there are specific rules in every country and everyone must respect that and believe me, no one will kill you if you did so,

If those rules forbid me from spreading the gospel to unbelievers then they stop me practicing my faith.

if it was ok to do in some countries it might not be tolerated to do so in some other countries. It's not only about islam or muslims but it's the same thing in many other non-muslim countries.

Yes i know that but we are talking about peace between the two religions here. Radical hindus are making some Christians life hell in india at the moment.

The discussions and debates between Christian and Muslim scholars are still occuring in most of muslim countries. The proof is the Quran itself.
[125] Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance. (Quran 16:125)

I said low profile, ordinary Christians not scholars. This must be a part of the koran that is not practiced much

Read also in post # 44 & 48 in this link below to know more about this tax you mentioned, guess what, it doesn't exist anymore:

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39491

But Dhimmis?

Do you know what the Quran says about the Christians? did you get into the part yet, or you have been busy with reading wrong information about Islam from anti-muslim sites?

I do not read anti muslim sites.

[82] ... nearest among them in love to the Believers wilt thou find those who say, "We are Christians": because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.
[83] And when they listen to the revelation received by the Messenger, thou wilt see their eyes overflowing with tears, for they recognise the truth: they pray: "Our Lord! we believe; write us down among the witnesses. (Quran 5:82-83)

Then these are not Christians, but apostates seeing that they emrace islam.

7 Reasons to Read the Glorious Quran
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37693

Save it, for i have everything I need in Gods word and The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost.

I have read much of the koran and do read bits in my spare time but it does nothing for me it feels no different than reading shakespear well its easier to understand than that, but what i mean is it has mo witnees to me. I am so utterly convinced more so than that i am typing right now, that what I believe is The Truth, i don't at all doubt it.
No doubt you think my heart is a locked chest and is hardened.
May the triune God open your eyes .

I don't really have much else to say on this topic to be truthful so depending on the nature of your response i probably will be defending Christianity on another part of the forum. This kind of discussion doesn't exite me too much.

 

[*Paul*]

When Prophet Jesus

returns for the second time he will reign as a Khalifh and not a Prophet, follow the Qur'an and Sunnah and rule according to it. He will break the cross the Christians worship (indicating that he will bring Christianity to an end), elevate and spread Islam through out the world.
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times]He will also kill the pig which the Christians consider Halaal to eat (and use) and abolish the Jizya (tax). In Prophet Jesus

[/FONT]reign they will not pay this tax because he will not accept anything but Islam for the non believers and they will all believe in him. The Qur'an says, "There is not a single section of the people of the book (Jews and Christians) but will believe in him and on the Day of Resurrection he will be a witness against them." (Surah-An-Nisa)

The future doesn't look too promising for Christian & Muslim dialogue.

 

[*Paul*]

[FONT=Times New Roman,Times]The Prophet

said, "By him whose hands my life is in, surely the son of Maryam will come down amongst you as a just ruler. He will break the cross, kill the pigs, and abolish the tax. Wealth will be in such abundance that none will care about it and a single prostration in a Prayer will be better than the world and all that is in it." (Abu Huraira/Bukhari, Muslim)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times]The above hadith clearly indicates that when Prophet Jesus

returns to the world for the second time he will not reign as a Prophet no, will he bring a new Shariah or Deen, as Islam is the last religion, the Quran is the last book to be revealed and our Prophet Muhammad

is the last Prophet. There is no Prophet to come after him and the Quran has made this fact very clear.[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times]Allah says in the Qur'an, "Muhammad (

) is not the father of any of you but is the Messenger of Allah and the last of the Prophets (Surah-Al-Ahzaab)[/FONT]

No peace proposed here but annihilation of the Christian faith by the very one they worship apparently.

 

[Navigator]

This is so false. Back it up or back off.

Hi Truth. In retrospect I realize that was quite gruff of me, I apologize if I offended you.
I am not sure I can back it up enough to give my opinion any merit, my opinion is all it is, but I will try. Most of that opinion is formed by my personal pursuit of the truth and how I find it. I look to the Bible for reference and guidance and I use Jesus life on earth as an example of how I should live. After reading some of the Quran and the Hadith, although my knowledge of them is at this point limited, I do not understand how someone could follow the Qurans teachings and Mohammeds example and be peaceful. Fighting, jihad, and war are taught as much or more than peace, love and tolerance. Mohammeds life is not one that I would want to imitate, while imitating Jesus daily brings a new level of joy, happiness and comfort.

There are many things in the Quran that I agree with but they are also found in the Bible, the negative aspects of the Quran seem to be the difference.

 

[Popeyesays]

Hi Truth. In retrospect I realize that was quite gruff of me, I apologize if I offended you.
I am not sure I can back it up enough to give my opinion any merit, my opinion is all it is, but I will try. Most of that opinion is formed by my personal pursuit of the truth and how I find it. I look to the Bible for reference and guidance and I use Jesus life on earth as an example of how I should live. After reading some of the Quran and the Hadith, although my knowledge of them is at this point limited, I do not understand how someone could follow the Qurans teachings and Mohammeds example and be peaceful. Fighting, jihad, and war are taught as much or more than peace, love and tolerance. Mohammeds life is not one that I would want to imitate, while imitating Jesus daily brings a new level of joy, happiness and comfort.

There are many things in the Quran that I agree with but they are also found in the Bible, the negative aspects of the Quran seem to be the difference.

It would probably help if you had ANY idea what jihad actually means. It has nothing to do with war or combat. An excellent explanation of 'jihad" is to be found here:
http://members.cox.net/arshad/jihad.html

The greatest jihad is the 'struggle' within one's self to submit to the will of God.

Regards,
Scott

 

[Radio Frequency X]

True Islam is submission before God, not submission before the Mullahs. True submission to God will bring about peace.

I'm so sorry Scott, but seriously. That doesn't ring true. Look, Muslims in America are wonderful people. I love them. I love what they have done for our country. But Islam in the Arab world is frightening. It smacks of fear and hatred.

 

[Navigator]

It would probably help if you had ANY idea what jihad actually means. It has nothing to do with war or combat. An excellent explanation of 'jihad" is to be found here:
http://members.cox.net/arshad/jihad.html

The greatest jihad is the 'struggle' within one's self to submit to the will of God.

Regards,
Scott

So quick to judge? I will break it down some more for you.

The struggle to submit to God can only be won by the conscience defeating the mind. I believe Jihad is the battle of the mind against the conscience. Your mind is the only thing that can justify murder or any evil. Fighting, jihad, and war are of the flesh/mind.

Peace, love and tolerance are of the conscience/spirit. To overcome the mind requires a conscience filled with love.

 

[Mujahid Mohammed]

It can exist between some muslims and some Christians as individuals and even some communities where neither is oppressed by the other.
But they call us polytheists:

1. [2.135] And they say: Be Jews or Christians, you will be on the right course. Say: Nay! (we follow) the religion of Ibrahim, the Hanif, and he was not one of the polytheists.
2. [98.6] Surely those who disbelieve from among the followers of the Book and the polytheists shall be in the fire of hell, abiding therein; they are the worst of men.
3. [4.171] O followers of the Book! do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against Allah, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Isa son of Marium is only an apostle of Allah and His Word which He communicated to Marium and a spirit from Him; believe therefore in Allah and His apostles, and say not, Three. Desist, it is better for you; Allah is only one God; far be It from His glory that He should have a son, whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His, and Allah is sufficient for a Protector.

Our religions are very different, but how should a muslim treat one they percieve to be a polytheist or disobedient ot their faith?

Oppression and possible violence:
[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
[9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!
9.31] They have taken their doctors of law and their monks for lords besides Allah, and (also) the Messiah son of Marium and they were enjoined that they should serve one God only, there is no god but He; far from His glory be what they set up (with Him).
[9.32] They desire to put out the light of Allah with their mouths, and Allah will not consent save to perfect His light, though the unbelievers are averse.
[9.33] He it is Who sent His Apostle with guidance and the religion of truth, that He might cause it to prevail over all religions, though the polytheists may be averse.
[9.34] O you who believe! most surely many of the doctors of law and the monks eat away the property of men falsely, and turn (them) from Allah's way; and (as for) those who hoard up gold and silver and do not spend it in Allah's way, announce to them a painful chastisement,
[9.35] On the day when it shall be heated in the fire of hell, then their foreheads and their sides and their backs shall be branded with it; this is what you hoarded up for yourselves, therefore taste what you hoarded.
9.36] Surely the number of months with Allah is twelve months in Allah's ordinance since the day when He created the heavens and the earth, of these four being sacred; that is the right reckoning; therefore be not unjust to yourselves regarding them, and fight the polytheists all together as they fight you all together; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).
[9.37] Postponing (of the sacred month) is only an addition in unbelief, wherewith those who disbelieve are led astray, violating it one year and keeping it sacred another, that they may agree in the number (of months) that Allah has made sacred, and thus violate what Allah has made sacred; the evil of their doings is made fairseeming to them; and Allah does not guide the unbelieving people.
[9.38] O you who believe! What (excuse) have you that when it is said to you: Go forth in Allah's way, you should incline heavily to earth; are you contented with this world's life instead of the hereafter? But the provision of this world's life compared with the hereafter is but little.
[9.39] If you do not go forth, He will chastise you with a painful chastisement and bring in your place a people other than you, and you will do Him no harm; and Allah has power over all things.

So what is the context you are trying to imply with these particular verses. What is the reason that these verses were revealed and who was it specifically addressing. what is the events surrounding the revelation of these verses. If you do not give the proper context of the verse you will leave people to interpret the verses whoever they see fit. It must be in the context of how the Messeger and his companions carried out the order.

This is practiced in many countries where Islam is the state religion and the law makers are muslims.

since when are these countries you speak of following in all the laws of sharia.

There is no real interest in peace there, it is so hard for a Christian to practice their religion there, they can not repair their churches or build new ones in many of these countries (not all).

And since they do not practice or impliment true islam you can see why this is not allowed. because they are incorrect in their implementation of the law of shari.

To convert to Christianity often means punishment of death by a family member or even to marry a Christian the same.

Not in true Islam where the muslim empire is governed by sharia.

Yet it is a Christian duty and act of love to evangelise and try to bring people in to discipleship of Jesus Christ, how can we love a muslim and not try to bring them to The Son Of God? This is one major conflict that I can never see being solved unless Christians compromise their faith and no longer try to evangelise muslims. I for one could never do that. But I am at least happy to have them for friends and be civil and discuss things peacefully and if that attitude was spread throughout all then there would be no killing.

No, if these countries would just implement sharia then the problems would be solved. But since they do not it will be quite difficult to resolve the issue by any other means.

So long as some divide the world in to two sections namely the House of Islam and the House of War. The former is composed of all devout Muslim and the latter everyone else. Then there will be no peace.

So as you have said let us stop dividing then. Stay unified in the understanding that the first are the true and the only accepted and the latter are the one's who may be out of the fold of Islam and hence non muslims.

Peace.