Can some Buddhist or other monks read minds

[Samana Johann]

Householder? You call me by my preferred pronouns. I happen to be an ordained minister.

If no more maintaining an household, a stand, abound trade and low moods of life, it would be proper to address householder different. But since not of that sort, not living on on alms, not.

 

[The Reverend Bob]

If no more maintaining an household, a stand, abound trade and low moods of life, it would be proper to address householder different. But since not of that sort, not living on on alms, not.

I am a Reverend, a Minister of the Lord Jesus Christ unto His Holy Church and you will address me as Reverend or not at all

 

[Samana Johann]

I am a Reverend, a Minister of the Lord Jesus Christ unto His Holy Church and you will address me as Reverend or not at all

Householder, as long householder, even ministering, he would be addressed as such. Not even if really reverend, such would be allowed by the teacher. If it might happen that he speaks something truthful, even if ordinary mode of live, such would be a place where reverence toward an householder would be possible.

 

[siti]

Neither would a worldling know a mind of integrity nor a bad. It speculates all together on assuming and preoccupation in ways "the rouge thinks in ways he is".

I can't even read your words, let alone your mind...would you care to elaborate on what you are implying - if you are indeed able to read your own mind that is. What is this "rouge" - do you mean "rogue"? I'd like you to explain what you are implying about this "worldling" - which I assume I am since you addressed a comment to me directly when I had not addressed you at all - directly or indirectly - before I respond.

 

[Samana Johann]

I can't even read your words, let alone your mind...would you care to elaborate on what you are implying - if you are indeed able to read your own mind that is. What is this "rouge" - do you mean "rogue"?

Yes, it's a proverb. "may he be shamed who thinks badly of it", might be a possible better translation in meaning.

I'd like you to explain what you are implying about this "worldling" - which I assume I am since you addressed a comment to me directly when I had not addressed you at all - directly or indirectly - before I respond.

Householder Siti might know it, if having reached "holliness" or still worldling.

As for the statement before (integrity), if more interested: Cula-punnama Sutta: The Shorter Discourse on the Full-moon Night

And a study guide on how to change ancestorship:

Into the Stream: A Study Guide on the First Stage of Awakening, by Thanissaro Bhikkhu (2012; 79pp./167KB)
The sutta readings in this guide are organized around the four factors that lead to the attainment of stream-entry and address questions of interest to all meditators, whether or not their practice aims all the way to Awakening. [Formerly two separate study guides: "The Way to Stream-entry" and "Stream-entry and After".]

 

[stvdv]

Can some Buddhist or other monks read minds?

When a Monk (Buddhist or not) would claim "I can read mind"
That Monk might suffer from Spiritual Ego or Delusion

I rather would say:"God grants vision when needed"

"Mind reading" implies "taking something"; ego is involved, so it would never be pure
"Vision granted" implies "given something"; devoid of ego, more chances it will be pure

 

[Samana Johann]

When a Monk (Buddhist or not) would claim "I can read mind"
That Monk might suffer from Spiritual Ego or Delusion

I rather would say:"God grants vision when needed"

"Mind reading" implies "taking something"; ego is involved, so it would never be pure
"Vision granted" implies "given something"; devoid of ego, more chances it will be pure

So householder say the Buddha and many of his disciples, including good Yogis suffer under Ego-mind... What about if thinking why would having a problem of having mudita with someones attainment?

Such a stingy guild here, not to speak of those so "liberated" living room sages. *smile* living an imagined avatar life in free time.

 

[viole]

Can some Buddhist or other monks read minds?

I hope for their sake they cannot read mine, when they make such claims, lol.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Samana Johann]

I hope for their sake they cannot read mine, lol.

Ciao

- viole

See, that's at least a good wish. And this good wish already bears great result for the giver.

 

[Samana Johann]

Some imput on the topic, for more understanding, for those interested:

"Even if a monk is not skilled in the ways of the minds of others.[1] he should train himself: 'I will be skilled in reading my own mind.'

"And how is a monk skilled in reading his own mind? ...Sacitta Sutta: One's Own Mind

Supranormal powers:

Is the development of ~ a prerequisite for enlightenment?: SN 12.70
Clairaudience: DN 2, DN 11
Ending of the taints/effluents (asava): DN 2,DN 11
Mind-reading: DN 2, DN 11, AN 3.60
Passing away and reappearance of beings: DN 2, DN 11
Recollection of past lives: DN 2, DN 11
As a miracle: AN 3.60
As the fruit of five-factored noble concentration: AN 5.28
How to reduce a pile of wood to its constituent elements: AN 6.41
Drawbacks of ~: DN 11
A monk displays his ~: SN 41.4
Beware: you can't hide from those with ~: AN 3.40
"The Four Bases of Power" in The Wings to Awakening (Thanissaro)
"Knowledge" (Lee)

...
It would be good if the Blessed One were to direct a monk to display a miracle of psychic power from his superior human state so that Nalanda would to an even greater extent have faith in the Blessed One."

When this was said, the Blessed One said to Kevatta the householder, "Kevatta, I don't teach the monks in this way: 'Come, monks, display a miracle of psychic power to the lay people clad in white.'"

A second time... A third time, Kevatta the householder said to the Blessed One: "I won't argue with the Blessed One, but I tell you: Lord, this Nalanda is powerful, both prosperous and populous, filled with people who have faith in the Blessed One. It would be good if the Blessed One were to direct a monk to display a miracle of psychic power from his superior human state so that Nalanda would to an even greater extent have faith in the Blessed One."...DN 11

The discussion with a Brahman, who thinks that sacrifices for the world are higher as the path, gives a lot of understanding: "Now, brahman, of these three miracles, which one appeals to you as the highest & most sublime?"...AN 3.60
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[stvdv]

When a Monk (Buddhist or not) would claim "I can read mind"
That Monk might suffer from Spiritual Ego or Delusion

I rather would say:"God grants vision when needed"

"Mind reading" implies "taking something"; ego is involved, so it would never be pure
"Vision granted" implies "given something"; devoid of ego, more chances it will be pure

So householder say the Buddha and many of his disciples, including good Yogis suffer under Ego-mind

You better reread what I said, you totally misread what I said. I was very specific
1) I am not a householder
2) I never said nor implied that "Buddha and many of His disciples, including good Yogis suffer under Ego-mind"

Such a stingy guild here, not to speak of those so "liberated" living room sages. *smile* living an imagined avatar life in free time

I don't know what you mean with this. You need to be more specific, I don't like to do some guesswork.

 

[Samana Johann]

You better reread what I said, you totally misread what I said. I was very specific
1) I am not a householder

..but... wanderer? homeless? almsgoer? ...forwarding to feets into public, holding them above a lotos?

2) I never said nor implied that "Buddha and many of His disciples, including good Yogis suffer under Ego-mind"

The Buddha and many of his disciples (all monks) decleared/declear "I can read mind". So possible rephrasing of the own text would be good. There is nothing wrong, if so, with it, if not touching rules, which are for protection, at least for oneself and the community.

I don't know what you mean with this. You need to be more specific, I don't like to do some guesswork.

Most, especially if speeking in categorical manner, are far away from what they say they know, and that includes also knowing of what wise taught.
Certainly homeless-householder(?) tries to express something with his unclear appearing, and speaking in a manner that is not correct could be easy believed by faithful. A matter of care, if possible certain instructed.

 

[Samana Johann]

About the Buddhas formost disciple in regard of Abhinna, fore those interested in the topic, lesser in it's intent:

Maha-Moggallana, by Hellmuth Hecker (1994; 29pp./88KB)
A biography in the BPS's "Lives of the Disciples" series. A biography of the Buddha's second chief disciple, whom the Buddha praised for his supranormal knowledge and psychic powers.

The Jains, btw. have been, since Buddhas time, most envy in regard of the Buddhas disciples and there increase of praise, they organised the killing of Ven. Moggallana.

 

[ChristineM]

"What I can't, others could not/should not be able to"

Physics and neuroscience is real and intuition is not mind reading no matter how gullible people are

 

[stvdv]

You better reread what I said, you totally misread what I said. I was very specific
1) I am not a householder

..but... wanderer? homeless? almsgoer? ...forwarding to feets into public, holding them above a lotos?

You are still missing the point. And you are doing it again "pretending to know me" ... and in a not so nice way

2) I never said nor implied that "Buddha and many of His disciples, including good Yogis suffer under Ego-mind"

The Buddha and many of his disciples (all monks) decleared/declear "I can read mind".

Most, especially if speeking in categorical manner, are far away from what they say they know, and that includes also knowing of what wise taught.

Feels like you are insinuating again here about me. And How you know that Buddha said "I can read mind"? My guess is that this is hearsay.
I rather speak for myself, not pretending to know others (I rather ask them). So, were you speaking about yourself saying "Most, especially if speeking in categorical manner, are far away from what they say they know, and that includes also knowing of what wise taught."?

I don't know what you mean with this. You need to be more specific, I don't like to do some guesswork.

Most, especially if speeking in categorical manner, are far away from what they say they know, and that includes also knowing of what wise taught. Certainly homeless-householder(?) tries to express something with his unclear appearing, and speaking in a manner that is not correct could be easy believed by faithful. A matter of care, if possible certain instructed.

If you want to tell something, just say it straight, do not insinuate things. I don't have a clue what this is all about.
I know that the wise say "what you see in others also is in you". So I guess you were speaking about yourself in your above quote.

 

[Samana Johann]

what you see in others also is in you

Thats a proverb under worldlings. Wise see more (they do no more carry around themselves), are not steady confronted with refections of they defilements.

If wishing to talk on the topic, fine. If wishing to follow the topics intent fine as well, but no more need to commont on it, if mind is caught up, householder.

 

[Samana Johann]

Physics and neuroscience

As householder Christine likes to think. Just: why then, could they not help to let go of a carry on of anger more then 40 years, those real-specialists?

Maybe related to the pattern "what I can't..."

 

[blü 2]

Can some Buddhist or other monks read minds?

I don't understand the question.

What, in this context, is denoted by "mind"?

What test would demonstrate a successful or failed "reading" of one?

For example, I've read your OP. Is that 'reading your mind'? Why is it? Or, why isn't it?

 

[ChristineM]

As householder Christine likes to think. Just: why then, could they not help to let go of a carry on of anger more then 40 years, those real-specialists?

Maybe related to the pattern "what I can't..."

What, neither can you or anyone else? Provide evidence of mind-reading. As far as i know ALL the peer reviewed work on the subject, carried out by neuroscientists, physiologists, psychiatrists and military scientists shows mind-reading to be a figment of the imagination.

 

[Howard Is]

Two psychics meet for lunch.
One says “I know you’re fine, but how am I ? “